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Post by rebecca2013 on Jul 16, 2019 8:24:51 GMT -5
Research the internet, then C & P stats & links to a forum board, then...make more assumptions about another board member about her professional background. Just because you say it's so (have a PhD in experimental psychology) doesn't make it so, on the net. It's easy for some to hide behind their moniker and pretend to be something they're not, just to try to impress others. One would think a person in this profession (psychology) would have self control and not call out another with false accusations, without first learning about that person. That's very unprofessional. This is one of her comments: "You are wrong you are not a researcher nor mental health professional you have in all likelihood never read a scientific psychology journal and you make assumptions based on the internet which no very good source of information particularly in this area" She accused me, without knowing anything about me. And you just assumed I was lying about having a PhD. I only mentioned it because she assumed I never read a scientific psychology journal. You don't assume she is lying about her qualifications. Why not? Well I can answer that... Because you didn't say so in the beginning. You just asserted your ideas without citations. I am not speaking of tidbits from abstracts, I would have liked to have seen your own research into this, what you found in the literature to make your point. No one is asking you to hold up your diploma here Dr. so you don't have to react in this manner.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 16, 2019 8:28:41 GMT -5
Research the internet, then C & P stats & links to a forum board, then...make more assumptions about another board member about her professional background. Just because you say it's so (have a PhD in experimental psychology) doesn't make it so, on the net. It's easy for some to hide behind their moniker and pretend to be something they're not, just to try to impress others. One would think a person in this profession (psychology) would have self control and not call out another with false accusations, without first learning about that person. That's very unprofessional. This is one of her comments: "You are wrong you are not a researcher nor mental health professional you have in all likelihood never read a scientific psychology journal and you make assumptions based on the internet which no very good source of information particularly in this area" She accused me, without knowing anything about me. And you just assumed I was lying about having a PhD. I only mentioned it because she assumed I never read a scientific psychology journal. You don't assume she is lying about her qualifications. Why not? What part of "this is the internet" don't you get? China was correct when she called you out about using only internet information. If you have published something, then post it for all to read! So what, if you read scientific psychology journals. Anybody can do that on the net, if it interests them. It doesn't make them an expect on the subject by doing so. Then, posting what they believe is truth, from such article, on an internet forum. It becomes your opinion about the article you read...your take on it, is all.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 16, 2019 8:45:42 GMT -5
This is one of her comments: "You are wrong you are not a researcher nor mental health professional you have in all likelihood never read a scientific psychology journal and you make assumptions based on the internet which no very good source of information particularly in this area" She accused me, without knowing anything about me. And you just assumed I was lying about having a PhD. I only mentioned it because she assumed I never read a scientific psychology journal. You don't assume she is lying about her qualifications. Why not? What part of "this is the internet" don't you get? China was correct when she called you out about using only internet information. If you have published something, then post it for all to read! So what, if you read scientific psychology journals. Anybody can do that on the net, if it interests them. It doesn't make them an expect on the subject by doing so. Then, posting what they believe is truth, from such article, on an internet forum. It becomes your opinion about the article you read...your take on it, is all. I started this thread, trying to explain some of my ideas about why there is too much faith in mainstream medicine. They are my opinions, based on decades of reading and thinking about health, and my own experiences and the experiences of others. I am not a medical researcher and didn't claim to be. I thought I could express my ideas on an internet forum without being a paid expert on that subject. But maybe you don't permit that here. I didn't say I have a PhD in experimental psychology at the beginning of the thread. Why would I? It only became relevant when I was accused of never having read a scientific psychology journal. And by the way, you didn't think it was rude and condescending when she accused me of that. And you probably don't think you were rude and condescending when you accused me of lying. And the main point of my original post was completely ignored. Some of you just said it was nonsense, without explaining why you think so. The claim by mainstream medicine that we are living twice as long now thanks to them is misleading and fools almost everyone. It would be nice if people would at least think about why it is misleading.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 16, 2019 11:43:49 GMT -5
They are my opinions, based on decades of reading and thinking about health Exactly...your opinion....not fact!
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Post by joymarty on Jul 16, 2019 12:22:36 GMT -5
Drifter: We all have our opinions and as I've gotten to my ripe old age, those beloved facts are forever changing and just like science, depends who is being paid to submit them.....I go thru this same scenerio on another forum I'm a member, so many argue those "facts"....forget about opinions and one's life's experiences.
I think it's very healthy to think outside the mainstream box of medicine and healing. Peace....
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 16, 2019 12:29:55 GMT -5
Drifter: We all have our opinions and as I've gotten to my ripe old age, those beloved facts are forever changing and just like science, depends who is being paid to submit them.....I go thru this same scenerio on another forum I'm a member, so many argue those "facts"....forget about opinions and one's life's experiences. I think it's very healthy to think outside the mainstream box of medicine and healing. Peace.... Yes it is healthy to question the mainstream authorities. But there are so many people who hate to see any questioning of authorities.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 16, 2019 12:30:58 GMT -5
They are my opinions, based on decades of reading and thinking about health Exactly...your opinion....not fact!
And what is wrong with explaining my opinion here? Those who disagreed with me stated their opinion that my ideas are wrong, but they never gave any logical or scientific reasons for their opinions. It's easy to tell someone they are wrong, their opinions are nonsense, and to say their opinions are worthless because they have not published scientific research to show their opinions are established facts. It's much harder to explain exactly why you think someone's opinions are wrong. No one here who disagreed with me explained why they disagree. You probably think that if an idea is accepted by mainstream medicine then that idea is definitely a fact. And you probably think that if anyone disagrees with any aspect of mainstream medicine, then they have been brainwashed by reading unscientific websites. You would rather trust the mainstream authorities and experts, instead of reading alternate views and deciding for yourself what makes sense.
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Post by rebecca2013 on Jul 16, 2019 13:36:35 GMT -5
I don't believe I ever said you were wrong.... I said you didn't seem to provide citations supporting your theory. I am very open to new ideas and presentations, but I think when you present, it would be nice to see some sort of empirical data instead of snippets from abstracts gathered from the net or just opinion. I can say a position here as well, but without backing it up with someone's replication in an experiment or observation of that issue, it is just my opinion, not a fact. You don't need to get your feathers all ruffled, no one is calling you a liar or any such thing...I think all of this was a misunderstanding and miscommunication.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 16, 2019 15:57:09 GMT -5
I don't believe I ever said you were wrong.... I said you didn't seem to provide citations supporting your theory. I am very open to new ideas and presentations, but I think when you present, it would be nice to see some sort of empirical data instead of snippets from abstracts gathered from the net or just opinion. I can say a position here as well, but without backing it up with someone's replication in an experiment or observation of that issue, it is just my opinion, not a fact. You don't need to get your feathers all ruffled, no one is calling you a liar or any such thing...I think all of this was a misunderstanding and miscommunication. I was not writing a formal thesis with complete references. I was writing on a discussion forum, expressing my opinion. Plenty of information exists and I offered to find it for anyone who didn't want to bother looking. Instead I got nasty comments. And I was called a liar because I said I have a PhD. I only mentioned it to defend myself against an accusation that I don't know anything about science. This was not misunderstanding and miscommunication. It was people getting all bent out of shape because I have ideas that disagree with the mainstream authorities.
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Post by rebecca2013 on Jul 16, 2019 18:01:22 GMT -5
No one called you a liar no one has asked you to write a dissertation I am trying to reach out in a professional manner and each time it seems like you become defensive I simply asked for background on your theory instead you become angry. Surely you know the difference between conjecture and empirical evidence and all anyone is asking you is to provide some material that supported your theory And I disagree again, I think it was a misconception and miscommunication
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 16, 2019 18:27:19 GMT -5
No one called you a liar no one has asked you to write a dissertation I am trying to reach out in a professional manner and each time it seems like you become defensive I simply asked for background on your theory instead you become angry. Surely you know the difference between conjecture and empirical evidence and all anyone is asking you is to provide some material that supported your theory And I disagree again, I think it was a misconception and miscommunication What theory are you talking about? My original post said that the medical industry misinforms people about lifespan. I have read many articles about that. It is a complicated subject but if you want more background I can provide it. I expected people to wonder how I came to the conclusions I did. But no one was interested. And some of them were angry and insulting, and I was called I liar. I wasn't just talking about you.
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Post by rebecca2013 on Jul 16, 2019 18:35:55 GMT -5
I said from the get-go to share the research so did Ziyi and instead we had a blow up So that is what I am referring to as a miscommunication and yes your premise of medications being overused is a theory that some might not understand or would like more of the research you have found
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 16, 2019 18:49:56 GMT -5
I said from the get-go to share the research so did Ziyi and instead we had a blow up So that is what I am referring to as a miscommunication and yes your premise of medications being overused is a theory that some might not understand or would like more of the research you have found My OP was about average lifespan, and the deceptive statistics that make it seem we would not live past age 30 or 40 without modern mainstream medicine.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 16, 2019 22:04:03 GMT -5
I found no problems with any of g4n's postings and I also believe we are a society overloaded on drugs, from the very young to the very old. My parents who both lived into their 90's and they've been gone for close to over 20 yrs took so few drugs in their lives. Our medicine cabinet at home had anacin, excedrin, bayer in it. The drug explosion came on in the last 30 yrs or so.
At one of my last jobs as admissions asst in private school, one of our little boys and I'd say he was 10 or so, would come in for his ritalin med and it killed me to have to dispense it, I was in charge of the meds, he was so zoned out. Then one day he and I were chatting and he said before he left for school, he took a dose of prozac. Guess what, his father was an MD. Yep...
What I say on all posts is my opinion and my truths.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 17, 2019 7:03:23 GMT -5
I found no problems with any of g4n's postings and I also believe we are a society overloaded on drugs, from the very young to the very old. My parents who both lived into their 90's and they've been gone for close to over 20 yrs took so few drugs in their lives. Our medicine cabinet at home had anacin, excedrin, bayer in it. The drug explosion came on in the last 30 yrs or so. At one of my last jobs as admissions asst in private school, one of our little boys and I'd say he was 10 or so, would come in for his ritalin med and it killed me to have to dispense it, I was in charge of the meds, he was so zoned out. Then one day he and I were chatting and he said before he left for school, he took a dose of prozac. Guess what, his father was an MD. Yep... What I say on all posts is my opinion and my truths. I agree. There has been an explosion in drug use. This is my opinion based on many things I have read and seen and heard. You can easily look it up and verify that it is true. The drug companies have gone all out to advertise to the public and to convince medical doctors that their drugs are safe and effective. Sure they list all the horrible side effects, but they say they are extremely rare. No, some of those side effects are very common, especially after long term use. And the interactions between different drugs are not known.
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