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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jul 15, 2019 17:31:38 GMT -5
There is good explanation why... my practice is located in predominantly Asian neighborhood and most of my patients are Chinese immigrants or 2nd generation. Many feel comfortable speaking to me in our native Mandarin as many have trouble with English I also am consultant for the Asian liaison Unit of the Metropolitan Police Dept for that same reason I often become translator many time. I assure you I American as Apple pie!! (Even sometime my written English no always so good! )
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jul 15, 2019 17:43:43 GMT -5
And I do not place huge faith in opinion articles What I have learned comes from legitimate research journals As for my patients in my practice, most of are NOT on psychotropic medications but some are and it has proven to be of great benefit My practice also includes those of whom are accused of criminal behaviors which I often am called to complete assessments of their behaviors Some were individuals who committed crimes while OFF medications! Medicine not bugaboo... it is management tool. That "legitimate" research is mostly paid for by drug companies. As I already said, it's easy to make drugs look safe and effective in research articles, even when they aren't. Most people, including professionals, don't have time to read long complicated articles carefully. It's easy to be fooled. Um no there you are incorrect it is reasearch conducted by other psychiatrists/psychologists/.other mental health professionals very few are sponsored by drug companies You can no generalize all research is from big pharmaceutical companies that is a misunderstanding of research journals I speak about
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 15, 2019 17:57:41 GMT -5
That "legitimate" research is mostly paid for by drug companies. As I already said, it's easy to make drugs look safe and effective in research articles, even when they aren't. Most people, including professionals, don't have time to read long complicated articles carefully. It's easy to be fooled. Um no there you are incorrect it is reasearch conducted by other psychiatrists/psychologists/.other mental health professionals very few are sponsored by drug companies You can no generalize all research is from big pharmaceutical companies that is a misunderstanding of research journals I speak about www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16893480"The percentage of studies sponsored by drug companies increased from 25% in 1992 to 57% in 2002. Favorable outcomes were significantly more common in studies sponsored by the drug manufacturer (78%) than in studies without industry sponsorship (48%) or sponsored by a competitor (28%)."
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jul 15, 2019 18:06:46 GMT -5
Again I am NOT speaking about research put out by pharm companies I am speaking about scholarly work done by professional mental health individuals for mental health individuals all of which are sponsored by the American Psychological Association or the American Psychiatric Association and various other related organizations I do not typically read in- house publications from the pharmaceutical industry
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 15, 2019 18:23:51 GMT -5
Again I am NOT speaking about research put out by pharm companies I am speaking about scholarly work done by professional mental health individuals for mental health individuals all of which are sponsored by the American Psychological Association or the American Psychiatric Association and various other related organizations I do not typically read in- house publications from the pharmaceutical industry You said: "very few are sponsored by drug companies." You are wrong, more than half are.
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jul 15, 2019 18:30:23 GMT -5
Again I am NOT speaking about research put out by pharm companies I am speaking about scholarly work done by professional mental health individuals for mental health individuals all of which are sponsored by the American Psychological Association or the American Psychiatric Association and various other related organizations I do not typically read in- house publications from the pharmaceutical industry You said: "very few are sponsored by drug companies." You are wrong, more than half are. You are wrong you are not a researcher nor mental health professional you have in all likelihood never read a scientific psychology journal and you make assumptions based on the internet which no very good source of information particularly in this area
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 15, 2019 18:53:33 GMT -5
You said: "very few are sponsored by drug companies." You are wrong, more than half are. You are wrong you are not a researcher nor mental health professional you have in all likelihood never read a scientific psychology journal and you make assumptions based on the internet which no very good source of information particularly in this area I got the information from this journal article: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16893480And you don't know what I am. I read many scientific psychology articles while getting a PhD in experimental psychology. I did my own research and I understand statistics. You didn't and you don't.
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jul 15, 2019 19:57:16 GMT -5
You insist knowing things you don’t know if you have to assume I don’t know statistics or my own field you are sadly mistaken If you really are a Doctor you should very well know that I speak from Journals in our field not abstracts from other sources also if you doctor then maybe a little professional behavior might be more convincing when making your points I spent many year in practice and also research it is absurd to argue about something you not prepared to discuss professionally as a psychologist to discuss with knowledge and citing real journal publications not abstracts or rewrites from NIH or other entities based on other research
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 15, 2019 19:59:54 GMT -5
You insist knowing things you don’t know if you have to assume I don’t know statistics or my own field you are sadly mistaken If you really are a Doctor you should very well know that I speak from Journals in our field not abstracts from other sources also if you doctor then maybe a little professional behavior might be more convincing when making your points I spent many year in practice and also research it is absurd to argue about something you not prepared to discuss professionally as a psychologist to discuss with knowledge and citing real journal publications not abstracts or rewrites from NIH or other entities based on other research You don't think psychiatric drugs are over-used. So why are so many people taking them? Do you think such a large percentage of the population really need these drugs?
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jul 15, 2019 20:00:22 GMT -5
Might I humbly suggest you check out our forum games maybe you like!
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jul 15, 2019 20:04:05 GMT -5
You insist knowing things you don’t know if you have to assume I don’t know statistics or my own field you are sadly mistaken If you really are a Doctor you should very well know that I speak from Journals in our field not abstracts from other sources also if you doctor then maybe a little professional behavior might be more convincing when making your points I spent many year in practice and also research it is absurd to argue about something you not prepared to discuss professionally as a psychologist to discuss with knowledge and citing real journal publications not abstracts or rewrites from NIH or other entities based on other research You don't think psychiatric drugs are over-used. So why are so many people taking them? Do you think such a large percentage of the population really need these drugs? I did no say they not being over used in some cases I say in my experience I don’t have many you irrationally make broad assumptions not very good based on very little evidence Doctor
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 15, 2019 20:17:21 GMT -5
You don't think psychiatric drugs are over-used. So why are so many people taking them? Do you think such a large percentage of the population really need these drugs? I did no say they not being over used in some cases I say in my experience I don’t have many you irrationally make broad assumptions not very good based on very little evidence Doctor I had originally said that drugs are over-used, and you got angry and said I don't know what I'm talking about. So now you seem to agree they are over-used. Just not in your personal experience. I think you just want to be angry.
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Post by rebecca2013 on Jul 16, 2019 8:05:38 GMT -5
I did no say they not being over used in some cases I say in my experience I don’t have many you irrationally make broad assumptions not very good based on very little evidence Doctor I had originally said that drugs are over-used, and you got angry and said I don't know what I'm talking about. So now you seem to agree they are over-used. Just not in your personal experience. I think you just want to be angry. How about I interject here? I think YOU are the one who wants to be angry when your agenda isn't readily agreed with. All along on this tread, the consensus was that of "in my experience" both Dr. Z's and myself clearly stating such. You continue to insist upon your ideas which is fine but you didn't state that it was was your own hypothesis, you considered it hard and fast fact. There are many in our field who would disagree, and would consider that medication are a useful management tool. You appear to be pretty much anti-medication which again, is fine to express your opinion. Dr Z explained that in her experience.... not universally.... I think you misunderstood. You are talking with two clinicians who just have a different opinion and experience than you do, there is nothing that anyone should be angry about as I am sure she is not in the least angry about anything. You may just be projecting your own feelings into this discussion. Let me further explain that perhaps you may think of Dr. Z as a neophyte, discounting her discussions. I sort of by reading some of your comments that there seemed perhaps to be a bias towards her when you assumed she was from another country. That may have set a tone which soured your interaction with her. Nevertheless I really don't sense any anger from her. My own experiences are different, I was recruited by Uncle Sam, My work as a director is to primarily oversee research in various aspects of behavioral science. Medication often is a part of such research, so my opinions concerning psychotropic medications naturally will be opposite of yours. Again not that you are right or wrong, just a difference of opinion and experience.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 16, 2019 8:07:29 GMT -5
You are wrong you are not a researcher nor mental health professional you have in all likelihood never read a scientific psychology journal and you make assumptions based on the internet which no very good source of information particularly in this area I got the information from this journal article: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16893480And you don't know what I am. I read many scientific psychology articles while getting a PhD in experimental psychology. I did my own research and I understand statistics. You didn't and you don't. Research the internet, then C & P stats & links to a forum board, then...make more assumptions about another board member about her professional background. Just because you say it's so (have a PhD in experimental psychology) doesn't make it so, on the net. It's easy for some to hide behind their moniker and pretend to be something they're not, just to try to impress others. One would think a person in this profession (psychology) would have self control and not call out another with false accusations, without first learning about that person. That's very unprofessional.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 16, 2019 8:15:16 GMT -5
I got the information from this journal article: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16893480And you don't know what I am. I read many scientific psychology articles while getting a PhD in experimental psychology. I did my own research and I understand statistics. You didn't and you don't. Research the internet, then C & P stats & links to a forum board, then...make more assumptions about another board member about her professional background. Just because you say it's so (have a PhD in experimental psychology) doesn't make it so, on the net. It's easy for some to hide behind their moniker and pretend to be something they're not, just to try to impress others. One would think a person in this profession (psychology) would have self control and not call out another with false accusations, without first learning about that person. That's very unprofessional. This is one of her comments: "You are wrong you are not a researcher nor mental health professional you have in all likelihood never read a scientific psychology journal and you make assumptions based on the internet which no very good source of information particularly in this area" She accused me, without knowing anything about me. And you just assumed I was lying about having a PhD. I only mentioned it because she assumed I never read a scientific psychology journal. You don't assume she is lying about her qualifications. Why not?
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