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Post by good4nothin on Jul 12, 2019 12:03:36 GMT -5
The big drug companies, big food, big tech, big science, and the medical industry, are all very powerful now days. They are all very much opposed to ideas from alternative medicine and alternative science. They influence our government and agencies such as the FDA and CDC. Big Tech influences what information we can easily access.
All the above may believe their own lies. Their perspective on life is atheistic and materialist. They believe nature is dead and mindless and life evolved haphazardly.
Those of us who believe in alternative medicine usually believe that nature is intelligent, and the universe is infinite intelligence. Therefore, anything that interferes with intricate, intelligent, natural processes might be harmful to health. And, of course, there are so many things that interfere with natural processes now.
The medical industry, and all the above big powers, want us to trust them. They have one BIG LIE that has been very effective in gaining our trust. The lie is that we are living longer than ever now. If that is true, then environmental toxins and prescription drugs must not be very harmful. And the medical industry must be doing a great job of keeping us alive and healthy.
It's a lie, based on misleading statistics and intentional confusion. So many Americans have serious diseases, but many more rely on prescription drugs to function. And many more don't feel well but don't even know it.
Half of us are expected to get cancer. The medical industry says it's just because we live longer, thanks to them. No, it is not normal to get cancer just from getting older.
Prehistoric people lived in clean environments and ate natural food. Were they really dropping dead in their 30s? Their average lifespan was low, mostly because a percentage of infants die, in any species. Modern medicine has intervened and is able to prevent most babies from dying. Therefore, the average lifespan increased.
Depending on the society, there were other causes of death in prehistoric times that are less likely now.
And in early industrial cities, life was not very natural.
There have been recent increases in lifespan for Americans, and of course they want you to think that's because of their toxic drugs. But it's mostly because cigarette smoking has decreased.
It is NOT normal and natural to get horrible diseases as we get older. It's just because we are exposed to a toxic environment and lifestyle for a long time. And it is NOT normal and natural to have more and more pain and less and less energy as we get older.
The BIG LIE has almost everyone fooled.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 12, 2019 13:52:14 GMT -5
*Sigh*
There is SO MUCH wrong with your statement. IMO, it's sounds like someone brainwashed you against modern medicine.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 12, 2019 13:53:19 GMT -5
*Sigh*
There is SO MUCH wrong with your statement. IMO, it's sounds like someone brainwashed you against modern medicine. No one brainwashed me. There is SO MUCH wrong with mainstream medicine.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 12, 2019 14:02:35 GMT -5
*Sigh*
There is SO MUCH wrong with your statement. IMO, it's sounds like someone brainwashed you against modern medicine. No one brainwashed me. There is SO MUCH wrong with mainstream medicine. Yes, only in YOUR mind, I suppose.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 12, 2019 14:08:14 GMT -5
No one brainwashed me. There is SO MUCH wrong with mainstream medicine. Yes, only in YOUR mind, I suppose. No, I am far from being the only person saying this. And we aren't the ones who are brainwashed.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 13, 2019 16:01:57 GMT -5
Those so committed to big pharma won't even let other ideas on healing into their mindsets...they will just attack and debate others who choose alterantives to a lot of mainstream...I see this in many and of course on so many forums.
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Post by formerlyme on Jul 13, 2019 16:59:52 GMT -5
The big drug companies, big food, big tech, big science, and the medical industry, are all very powerful now days. They are all very much opposed to ideas from alternative medicine and alternative science. They influence our government and agencies such as the FDA and CDC. Big Tech influences what information we can easily access. All the above may believe their own lies. Their perspective on life is atheistic and materialist. They believe nature is dead and mindless and life evolved haphazardly. Those of us who believe in alternative medicine usually believe that nature is intelligent, and the universe is infinite intelligence. Therefore, anything that interferes with intricate, intelligent, natural processes might be harmful to health. And, of course, there are so many things that interfere with natural processes now. The medical industry, and all the above big powers, want us to trust them. They have one BIG LIE that has been very effective in gaining our trust. The lie is that we are living longer than ever now. If that is true, then environmental toxins and prescription drugs must not be very harmful. And the medical industry must be doing a great job of keeping us alive and healthy. It's a lie, based on misleading statistics and intentional confusion. So many Americans have serious diseases, but many more rely on prescription drugs to function. And many more don't feel well but don't even know it. Half of us are expected to get cancer. The medical industry says it's just because we live longer, thanks to them. No, it is not normal to get cancer just from getting older. Prehistoric people lived in clean environments and ate natural food. Were they really dropping dead in their 30s? Their average lifespan was low, mostly because a percentage of infants die, in any species. Modern medicine has intervened and is able to prevent most babies from dying. Therefore, the average lifespan increased. Depending on the society, there were other causes of death in prehistoric times that are less likely now. And in early industrial cities, life was not very natural. There have been recent increases in lifespan for Americans, and of course they want you to think that's because of their toxic drugs. But it's mostly because cigarette smoking has decreased. It is NOT normal and natural to get horrible diseases as we get older. It's just because we are exposed to a toxic environment and lifestyle for a long time. And it is NOT normal and natural to have more and more pain and less and less energy as we get older. The BIG LIE has almost everyone fooled.
So much irrational paranoia and misinformation! I find it disturbing that many actually share your misguided beliefs.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 13, 2019 17:07:35 GMT -5
So much irrational paranoia and misinformation! I find it disturbing that many actually share your misguided beliefs.
Well it's easy to say it's irrational and wrong. But you have said nothing about why you think it's wrong. I can back up all statements about lifespan. The medical industry wants you to think we live more than twice as long as in prehistoric times, thanks to them. We owe more than half of our lives to them! Supposedly. It's a lie, it's propaganda, it's advertising BS.
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Post by formerlyme on Jul 13, 2019 17:19:29 GMT -5
So much irrational paranoia and misinformation! I find it disturbing that many actually share your misguided beliefs. Well it's easy to say it's irrational and wrong. But you have said nothing about why you think it's wrong.
I can back up all statements about lifespan. The medical industry wants you to think we live more than twice as long as in prehistoric times, thanks to them. We owe more than half of our lives to them! Supposedly. It's a lie, it's propaganda, it's advertising BS.
Poppycock!
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Post by joymarty on Jul 13, 2019 17:45:44 GMT -5
Well, I know one thing for sure, the docs and hospitals need the people to continue to believe in them and support their lifestyles.
I believed until the 80's when I was harmed by their drugs and then pretty messed up by a joint replacement in 2010...I live with all the damage, and they live on.
I don't know who funds this forum but I see a lot of alternative medicine ads on the pages here and one is Dr. Schulze and all his fine supplements....interesting.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 13, 2019 18:11:04 GMT -5
Poppycock!
But you have nothing rational to say, so your disagreeing with me is meaningless.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 13, 2019 18:52:47 GMT -5
*Sigh*
There is SO MUCH wrong with your statement. IMO, it's sounds like someone brainwashed you against modern medicine. No one brainwashed me. There is SO MUCH wrong with mainstream medicine. I agree that there is so much wrong with mainstream medicine. but I do not think that there is a gigantic conspiracy to keep us all sick and dependent on corporate medicine.
Big conspiracies have one thing in common: improbability. As someone (Ben Franklin) once said- "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.".
Example of BS conspiracies:
Kennedy assassination- more than one shooter/the Russians/the Cubans/the CIA, etc...forget about it, it was just one guy(Oswald).
Moon landing faked. This is true, but only for those wearing the proper tinfoil hats.
LAPD trying to frame OJ- really??? Nope, just one really great defense attorney(Johnnie Cochran).
Mainstream medicine deserves credit for the lives it saves, but it isn't perfect. The scientific method is the way in which treatments can be validated, as well as everything else in the universe. Some Alternative medicine has merit, but if impartial scientific trials can't verify results, then that IS a problem. Still some alt med healing works...somehow.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 13, 2019 19:23:37 GMT -5
No one brainwashed me. There is SO MUCH wrong with mainstream medicine. I agree that there is so much wrong with mainstream medicine. but I do not think that there is a gigantic conspiracy to keep us all sick and dependent on corporate medicine.
Big conspiracies have one thing in common: improbability. As someone (Ben Franklin) once said- "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.".
Example of BS conspiracies:
Kennedy assassination- more than one shooter/the Russians/the Cubans/the CIA, etc...forget about it, it was just one guy(Oswald).
Moon landing faked. This is true, but only for those wearing the proper tinfoil hats.
LAPD trying to frame OJ- really??? Nope, just one really great defense attorney(Johnnie Cochran).
Mainstream medicine deserves credit for the lives it saves, but it isn't perfect. The scientific method is the way in which treatments can be validated, as well as everything else in the universe. Some Alternative medicine has merit, but if impartial scientific trials can't verify results, then that IS a problem. Still some alt med healing works...somehow.
I don't think it's a conspiracy. It's more like group think. The majority of medical experts are non-holistic and non-spiritual in their approach. They are all on the same wavelength, unfortunately. But alternative medicine isn't necessarily the answer either. There are no easy answers for many diseases. I have nothing against the scientific method. It's very good for disproving things. However it doesn't prevent ideological dead ends. And I think we have that now in our medical industry. They are stuck in a rut of always searching for better drugs, never thinking outside their little drug box. The big lie I posted about is very misleading. It is sincerely believed by our medical experts, so technically it isn't a lie. It's an untruth, an error. It takes a lot of time and effort and some knowledge of statistics to see through it.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 13, 2019 20:20:53 GMT -5
Do you really believe big corporations and the medical industry CARE about us and want to keep us well? Their bottom lines are their stockholders. Keep them happy.
Look how long Monsanto has gotten their way with Roundup.
And the fluoridationists adding toxic waste to our waters for over 7 decades....This issue is one I could do whole thread on, it's so deep and dark and ugly and I learned so much about this when the pushers paid off our city council in 2005 or so and our city was fluoridated in 2008....talk about LIES and $$$$.
There is a lawsuit being prepared against the EPA for August, jury trial and all and hoping our people get this long LIE stopped. So many have tried for decades and failed, it takes $$$ to sue big time.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 13, 2019 21:04:03 GMT -5
The majority of medical experts are non-holistic and non-spiritual in their approach. They are all on the same wavelength, unfortunately. Yes, and the dogmatic mind set blocks a doctor's ability to secure a successful treatment for their patient.
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