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Post by keith on May 3, 2019 8:06:45 GMT -5
The Republicans are past redemption. Any moral one's among them should either jump parties or go independent. If Biden stays strong, I'll run with him. Actually, seeing Hillary being active lately makes me wonder about her own interest...I'd hang with her too. Putin is feeling paranoid now...that's bad, too many nukes to play with. I'm feeling kind of doubtful about this site. Maybe I'll start my own. Totally agree, Keith....I watched Hillary on Rachel last night, she was brilliant...if only.. Hillary encouraged unrest in Russia and the same Putin machine that elected scumbag burned her...that's our current reality.
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Post by keith on May 3, 2019 8:07:59 GMT -5
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Post by notbob on May 3, 2019 10:30:57 GMT -5
Keith, what do you mean by you are feeling doubtful about this site? I think the administrator used convoluted reasoning when she encountered some posts of mine that rocked the boat here. My anti religion thread created some arguments that she construed as counter productive and "pointless". The thread was popular but controversial so it was criticized. I decided to dump the thread rather than continue the ridiculous conversation with her. I expect another such interjection to this comment. And there you have it. I read the comments and wondered why tension was building - why the conversation digressed. I saw no reason for either of you to be offended. I thought neither of you were trying to harm the other. It was simply an exchange of views. You didn't agree - so what? There are people here on Take Refuge who are on the same Liberal side of political arguments as myself, but whom I may disagree with on some of the finer details. I've been criticized and I've criticized them - not in a harmful or disrespectful way, but it was certainly criticism nonetheless. The bottom line is...it doesn't matter. We all have different opinions. The way I saw it, you weren't trying to harm Fireheart and she wasn't trying to harm you. There have been a handful of people on this board who have been blatantly disrespectful and had harmful intent with their comments. I didn't get that at all from your exchange with Fireheart.
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Post by suds00 on May 3, 2019 11:00:04 GMT -5
i'm disgusted with this whole thing.why can't politics in this country be civil?how can even 40% approve with what's going on.they'll point to the economy which is strong..the president has very little to do with the economy.they'll ignore the rest.we can only rail against what's going on so long.but if we don't america,as we know it.may cease to exist.
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Post by notbob on May 3, 2019 12:00:48 GMT -5
i'm disgusted with this whole thing.why can't politics in this country be civil?how can even 40% approve with what's going on.they'll point to the economy which is strong..the president has very little to do with the economy.they'll ignore the rest.we can only rail against what's going on so long.but if we don't america,as we know it.may cease to exist. "Why can't politics in this country be civil?" you ask. The answer is simple. It's because politicians are paid via campaign financing, lobbying perks, and who knows what else to divides us. We are controlled by some of the wealthiest people on Earth. All you need to understand is that 85% of elections are won by candidates with the most money. That tells the entire story. With those odds, politics becomes an "attractive nuisance" for anyone looking to elevate their status. Get the most money behind you and you'll be elected. If a politician doesn't do as ordered by sponsors, sponsors will shift their financial support to a candidate who will in the next primary. Sponsors have been able to get their way by making politicians use things like abortion, LGBT issues, immigration, religion, guns, etc., to cause us to fight amongst ourselves. Meanwhile, their sponsored politicians have lowered sponsor's taxes, reduced regulations, and given special wavers for things concerning the environment. "Why can't politics in this country be civil?" Because politicians are paid to do otherwise. That's why, in my opinion, campaign financing and lobbying perks should be the #1 issue we should all be focused on. All the other stuff are symptoms of our broken system. We will never have a representative government as long as we allow politicians to be owned.
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Post by birdgal on May 3, 2019 12:54:54 GMT -5
Notbob, bravo! This is a Perfect example, with a capital P, of the bible verse about the love of money being the root of all evil. Money is not evil. Money is good. However,the love, lust, and desire to have more and more and more money, which means more and more power and control over others lives is Evil, with a capital E.
It's discouraging. Makes me feel helpless and sad.
During the protest Occupy Wall Street I kept on thinking all those people with all their signs shouting and demanding justice were probably being mocked and laughed at by the very people they were protesting.
The protesters probably looked like ants or gnats to those in their ivory towers. Annoying litle bugs they could squash in an instant. But, why even bother? The little bugs are powerless anyway. Let them holler and scream. They can't stop us. Besides they're kind of entertaining.
Money is more powerful than little bugs demanding change.
Very discouraging.
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Post by notbob on May 3, 2019 13:28:03 GMT -5
Notbob, bravo! This is a Perfect example, with a capital P, of the bible verse about the love of money being the root of all evil. Money is not evil. Money is good. However,the love, lust, and desire to have more and more and more money, which means more and more power and control over others lives is Evil, with a capital E. It's discouraging. Makes me feel helpless and sad. During the protest Occupy Wall Street I kept on thinking all those people with all their signs shouting and demanding justice were probably being mocked and laughed at by the very people they were protesting. The protesters probably looked like ants or gnats to those in their ivory towers. Annoying litle bugs they could squash in an instant. But, why even bother? The little bugs are powerless anyway. Let them holler and scream. They can't stop us. Besides they're kind of entertaining. Money is more powerful than little bugs demanding change. Very discouraging. Thanks birdgal. I would take slight exception to your expressed hopelessness. I still believe there is power in numbers. The numbers can come from a lot of places, voting being the primary place. A lot of the new house members got elected without help from big donors or PACs. That's a rarity, but it may be an indication that people are waking up to the fact that we are governed by big money. That's a message I perpetually promote to let people know that EVERYTHING that happens politically happens because of money. If enough people become aware of that fact, they will vote against moneyed interests having the ability to buy elections and buy politicians once elected. We got a taste of change in 2018. I'm hungry for more. We can't think change is impossible and we can't give up. As long as we keep fighting, we haven't lost.
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Post by The Inspector on May 3, 2019 23:09:16 GMT -5
The powerful win when apathy wins.Stopping good people from voting is one of the powerful's most useful tools.
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Post by birdgal on May 4, 2019 10:18:37 GMT -5
It does look as if it's heading in that direction by making it more difficult as well as inconvient for some people to vote. Then there are those who either can't be bothered voting or believe their vote doesn't matter or might not even be counted anyway.
I have to admit there are times when I believe the system is rigged and the voting machines are hacked or programmed to favor one side.
Evil people can hack an airplane. How difficult would it be for a voting machine? I also wonder sometimes about the company who makes these machines and what political party do they support?
Paranoid? Me? What would possibly make you think that? Lol.
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Post by tnthomas on May 4, 2019 12:38:23 GMT -5
All recent polls show Biden with a significant lead over Trump, so Biden has 'come out of the gate' strong I have no confidence in media polls after the extremely unexpected Trump win in 2016, when all the polls had Hillery handily defeating him.
The "media" is for the most part owned by corporate conglomerates, and apparently are under no obligation to adhere to accuracy in reporting.
I believe the major networks news outlets deliberately exaggerated Hillery's lead in order to draw would-be Hillery voters into complacency.
I know, I sound pretty cynical but I think that's based on solid ground.
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Post by tnthomas on May 4, 2019 12:45:49 GMT -5
There are people here on Take Refuge who are on the same Liberal side of political arguments as myself, but whom I may disagree with The bottom line is...it doesn't matter. That is what makes a Liberal, having an open mind and saying civil on points of disagreement.
Having an open mind + civility is what makes Liberals different from the right-winger mentality, where judgemental close mindedness + knee jerk hostility is the 'way'.
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Post by keith on May 4, 2019 16:26:49 GMT -5
Having an open mind + civility is what makes Liberals different from the right-winger mentality, where judgemental close mindedness + knee jerk hostility is the 'way'. Fireheart and I had a heated disagreement but, after a cooling down period, we licked our wounds and shook hands. Democrats need to do the same sooner rather than later. It's a very long way to the elections but we should close ranks now, decide on a candidate, and ice (pour cash into contender's campaigns) the creeps like Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, and Devin Nunes who've sold out our country. Fight fire with fire, dirty politics, whatever it takes to win both houses and the WH.
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Post by suds00 on May 4, 2019 16:29:32 GMT -5
i'm not strictly conservative but some conservatives in the past have been civil.trump has changed that.i have little faith in political polling these days.i'm not sure who to blame.,the pollers or the pollees.i hope 2016 was an aberration.
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Post by butterfly on May 4, 2019 19:41:52 GMT -5
Looks to me like Fireheart was just posting her views on the subject, which happen to be contrary to Keith's.
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Post by tnthomas on May 4, 2019 22:38:00 GMT -5
i'm not strictly conservative but some conservatives in the past have been civil.trump has changed that.i have little faith in political polling these days.i'm not sure who to blame.,the pollers or the pollees.i hope 2016 was an aberration. Trump and the GOP flakes in Washington are NOT conservatives, and I absolutely refuse to honor them with such title. Conservatism is not evil, but this pack of RWNJs on Capitol Hill are corrupt and evil to the core.
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