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Post by rebecca2013 on Apr 15, 2019 13:23:43 GMT -5
Born and raised Catholic... despite all the bad things that have been revealed about my Church, I still have faith... I don't always believe some of the teachings... especially around divorce and homosexuality but I don't care... I have a personal relationship and in the end... that is all that matters. I'm happy you feel that way, rebecca2013 . I'm assuming you did not attend Catholic schools but had a different experience than I. Anybody who reads my posts knows how I feel about religion in general and the Catholic Church in particular. I don't ever condemn anyone else's beliefs except when they are hypocritical. (And I see a lot of that these days.) Religion messed up my life in many ways. It would take a long time to describe how, so I will spare you the details. I did attend Catholic school only... My experiences in México were very good.... our parish priest was excellent and even though a few times I got a rap on the hands by nuns.... all in all I really didn't have any negative issues... My issues with the Church began here in the USA with my intolerable marriage and divorce....It was like I was being pressured to remain in an abusive situation. When I said clearly, I was being physically abused, the priest was not very helpful and actually made me angry enough that I left and started at another church. My children have attended without any incidents.... although I do not attend Mass on what you call a regular basis, I do attend more than just Christmas and Easter!!
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Post by tnthomas on Apr 15, 2019 17:16:07 GMT -5
CHRISTIAN HATES MUSLIM HATES JEW HATES WHITE..... Irrelevant, as these are not official teachings of the faith, but merely human attributes.
My God does not teach hate, but rather love, respect and tolerance.
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Post by keith on Apr 16, 2019 16:36:47 GMT -5
CHRISTIAN HATES MUSLIM HATES JEW HATES WHITE..... Irrelevant, as these are not official teachings of the faith, but merely human attributes.
My God does not teach hate, but rather love, respect and tolerance.
HATE IS RELEVANT...ALL RELIGIONS TEACH INTOLERANCE IE...HATE. THE LAST I HEARD, IF YOU'RE NOT BAPTIZED...YOU'RE DOOMED, AN INNOCENT CHILD BURNS IN HELL. ISLAM SAYS: CONVERT OR DIE THESE ARE FORMS OF HATE.
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Post by tnthomas on Apr 16, 2019 16:42:13 GMT -5
Just a "heads up" keith, it looks like your caps-lock key is stuck...makes it look like you're SHOUTING. I'll just have to disagree with you, no religions on this planet teach hate, but there are people who would aspire to teach hate, using a religion as their 'weapon'.
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Post by keith on Apr 16, 2019 17:18:37 GMT -5
Just a "heads up" keith , it looks like your caps-lock key is stuck...makes it look like you're SHOUTING. I'll just have to disagree with you, no religions on this planet teach hate, but there are people who would aspire to teach hate, using a religion as their 'weapon'. Sorry about the caps...just lazy. I don't understand how you can defend intolerance which certainly breeds hate but I guess you simply don't use the same logic I do. Are you not aware of the "Convert or die" passages in the Koran.
Forced conversion is adoption of a different religion or irreligion under duress. Some who have been forced to convert may continue, covertly, with the beliefs and practices originally held, while outwardly behaving as converts. Crypto-Jews, crypto-Christians, crypto-Muslims and crypto-Pagans are historical examples of the latter.The Qur'an propounds a harsh and violent doctrine, promoting the idea of a constant struggle between Muslims and others that can only be ended when everyone has converted to Islam, normally by going through a phase of paying a tax to Muslims after submitting to them, or, if all else fails, through being defeated through war or trickery. Now it might seem contradictory to also point out that there a great number of verses in the Qur'an that preach against Muslims trying to convert others to Islam, but the contradiction isn't that great because, whether or not you actively try to convert them, non-believers can still be fought against and subjugated, and the conversion can just be assumed to start happening "naturally" during that process. The Qur'an does not take a rational or tolerant stance - its very definition of "non-believer" and "disbeliever" is skewed against any chance of amicability. Christian history is filled with the same murderous intolerance that is ascribed to Islam, because religion in general has a dark tendency to promote bigotry and violence.
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Post by tnthomas on Apr 16, 2019 17:37:23 GMT -5
Sorry about the caps...just lazy. I don't understand how you can defend intolerance which certainly breeds hate but I guess you simply don't use the same logic I do. That is your assumption which couldn't be more incorrect. I don't defend intolerance in any form and if someone chooses to think that of me, well that's their choice, and has nothing to do with me or my world. In collage I took a religious philosophy class and did rather well, I don't recall reading in the creed of any of the world's religions any promotion of hate towards fellow men or nations.
Forced conversion is adoption of a different religion or irreligion under duress. Some who have been forced to convert may continue, covertly, with the beliefs and practices originally held, while outwardly behaving as converts. Crypto-Jews, crypto-Christians, crypto-Muslims and crypto-Pagans are historical examples of the latter. As I said: there are people who would use religion as a 'weapon', has happened all though history. Yeah, the Crusades- a perfect example of the exploitation of a religion for control and power. but, none of that had anything whatsoever to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ. So many people "throw the baby out with the bathwater", with making shallow, blanket assumptions.
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Post by keith on Apr 16, 2019 18:14:47 GMT -5
You continue to avoid the intolerance issue. Jesus was tolerant of all people but the religion which exploited his phony deification wasn't and isn't tolerant. neither is Judaism or Islam. Do you deny this obvious truth?
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Apr 16, 2019 18:17:44 GMT -5
Irrelevant, as these are not official teachings of the faith, but merely human attributes.
My God does not teach hate, but rather love, respect and tolerance.
HATE IS RELEVANT...ALL RELIGIONS TEACH INTOLERANCE IE...HATE. THE LAST I HEARD, IF YOU'RE NOT BAPTIZED...YOU'RE DOOMED, AN INNOCENT CHILD BURNS IN HELL. ISLAM SAYS: CONVERT OR DIE THESE ARE FORMS OF HATE. Buddhist do no teach hate in any form Buddha was about loving compassion never about harm We do no even seek converts to our beliefs. Islam does no teach hate my dear friend Randah is Muslim and a very kind and compassionate person. It wrong to assume I hate on the basis of being a practicing Buddhist but I will disappoint you! My religion is kindness to all sentient beings
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Post by keith on Apr 16, 2019 18:30:41 GMT -5
Ziyi, I told you I see Buddhism as a philosophy...not a religion. And, I'm aware their are good and loving people of all religions. I'm talking about the scriptures of these teachings...they are all intolerant of each other. This, in itself breeds hate and violence. I''m not dealing with individuals, just teachings which, as far as I can see...all lie.
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Post by tnthomas on Apr 16, 2019 18:38:32 GMT -5
You continue to avoid the intolerance issue. Jesus was tolerant of all people but the religion which exploited his phony deification wasn't and isn't tolerant. neither is Judaism or Islam. Do you deny this obvious truth? You are failing to read my posts, let me quote my last post so you can take a second look: That is your assumption which couldn't be more incorrect. I don't defend intolerance in any form and if someone chooses to think that of me, well that's their choice, and has nothing to do with me or my world.
Looks like I addressed the intolerance issue head-on. You just said "Jesus was tolerant of all people" and that's all that matters.
Remember what I previously pointed out(for the third time):
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Apr 16, 2019 18:46:17 GMT -5
Ziyi, I told you I see Buddhism as a philosophy...not a religion. And, I'm aware their are good and loving people of all religions. I'm talking about the scriptures of these teachings...they are all intolerant of each other. This, in itself breeds hate and violence. I''m not dealing with individuals, just teachings which, as far as I can see...all lie. Well it is both religion and philosophy it is a way of life but you say scriptures preach intolerance!?? You go and read the Dhammapada... Then see if you see one tiny ounce of intolerance The words of Buddha do no ever preach intolerance nor do teachers today. Maybe you get misinformed by others but there is many parables which Christ taught which Buddha say 500 years before him almost word for word which is interesting but explained by the similarity in oral traditions of the cultures all along the ancient Silk Road
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Post by keith on Apr 16, 2019 19:12:45 GMT -5
Well, you guys can't seem to read my words. I'm not talking about people...just lies and religion. Jesus was a human being not God...and no one human is "All that matters". If you've been brainwashed into thinking otherwise, ah well..you're beyond debate.
Ziyi, in the beginning of this thread, I said Buddhism may be the exception. Let me make it clearer...it is the exception. I think like one and try to act like one. If I have a God, it's Nature and her tool is evolution....we are that tool. We must accept responsibility for that role and stop attributing it to some boogie man in the sky.
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Post by tnthomas on Apr 16, 2019 19:44:11 GMT -5
Well, you guys can't seem to read my words. I'm not talking about people...just lies and religion. Jesus was a human being not God...and no one human is "All that matters". If you've been brainwashed into thinking otherwise, ah well..you're beyond debate. Well keith , You started the thread here and it sounded like you wanted to discuss this subject. But now it appears that it is you that is intolerant, and not willing to listen to what people have to say. Maybe in the future you could just make your opinion statement in a thread, then ask an admin to lock the thread so that nobody can post and disagree with you.
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Post by keith on Apr 17, 2019 0:36:24 GMT -5
Apr 16, 2019 19:44:11 GMT -5 tnthomas said:
Maybe in the future you could just make your opinion statement in a thread, then ask an admin to lock the thread so that nobody can post and disagree with you.
Tom (can I assume it's Tom?) I'm not done and I have nothing against varied opinions but I demand we use logic. Do you seriously believe that of the 100 billion souls to have lived on this planet...one of them was God? The "Messiah" complex is a well known mental illness in most secular circles. The Muslims wait for the Mahdi to rescue them. The hard line Jews wait for their Messiah. And you wait for Jesus to return. I understand your fear and confusion and I'm undoubtedly neurotic myself but I know we're all we've got and I see no point in delusional fantasy. That's all small stuff. Trump, Putin, xi jinping, and Benjamin Netanyahu are looking at an opportunity to consolidate power. What do they all have in common? Muslim enemies on their borders except Trump who needs a diversion. Think about it.
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Apr 17, 2019 8:37:17 GMT -5
And we await Maitreya, the Buddha of the Future to teach the pure Dharma. You see, all look to answers from another be it prophet, god or enlighten being There are many paths to enlightenment be Christian Islam Buddhist or those who worship trees All seek answers to questions some like Buddhists, look internally, to the Buddha within Others wait for a messianic messenger but we all seek answers Even atheists We just have different paths Rebecca is Catholic and her rituals seem to give her peace of mind how is that bad? I not agree with her views but I do no practice religious bias of any kind She has embraced some of my philosophy and that is good because she is seeking knowledge. But the point is two people with widely diverse religious ideas can still live harmoniously together without conflict
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