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Post by birdgal on Aug 10, 2019 21:32:29 GMT -5
It is frustrating, isn't it? I hear people say they'd vote for her now too. Idle chatter. Who cares? Too little too late. Their words are meaningless. Sorry. No do overs. The best I can hope for is they won't make the same stupid mistake. But, "hope" is a four letter word so I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by tnthomas on Aug 10, 2019 21:50:13 GMT -5
Russian interference had a lot to do with the outcome, much more so than misogyny. A lot of dirty politics came into play in 2016, BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER that Clinton won the majority of the popular vote.
Thank you, my view exactly.
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Post by notbob on Aug 11, 2019 8:57:07 GMT -5
Again, I voted for her so don't jump on my case. Oh, I'm not jumping on your case. I haven't jumped in years. I'm expressing my feelings. I think Hillary was robbed. I believe the election was hacked by our enemies inside and out of the country. I believe people enjoyed jumping on the "we hate Hillary" band wagon because hate is easy. Gets people all riled up. I believe the FBI also believes there was some hacking going on. I was standing on line in a grocery store a few years back and I heard a woman tell another woman she'd never vote for Hillary. The other woman asked why. She said, "because she really wants to be president." Well, there you go! That's a d*mn good reason not to vote for somebody. Do you honestly believe you'd hear anybody ever use that reason not to vote for a man? Just sayin'. Evidence proves our election was attacked. In general, those who "hated Hillary" were on the Right. I wasn't a fan. I'm still not a fan but I've never hated her. I'm not a fan of anyone who is corporate sponsored and Hillary was corporate sponsored. I could never feel "all in" with Obama either even though he was certainly one of the best presidents in out history. I am a Liberal through and through. Bernie introduced America to democratic socialism. That's pretty much where I stand. I'm no longer a big Bernie fan but I still embrace his political philosophies. Maybe you didn't see it, but a lot of us thought Hillary had a kind of arrogance that was a turn-off. Strangely enough, I can understand what the woman in the store was getting at when she said "Hillary really wants to be president." There are candidates in the current race (men and women) who "really want to be president." I think what she could have been referring to is that Hillary, like some in today's race are more concerned with their legacy than they are about getting elected to stand up for the masses. I get it...all candidates "really want to be president" but only a handful of today's candidates seem genuinely passionate about doing what's best for the masses. I would put Warren (and a couple of others) firmly in that category. I believe that the public will pay attention to that kind of candidate regardless of whether the candidate is male or female (in general). Hillary didn't express herself with nearly the level of passion that Warren does and Hillary was ill-prepared for Trump's attacks in the debates. She was too often on the defensive. The best defense is a strong offense. No one understands that better than Trump. We need someone who won't allow him to get away with it. I happen to believe no one would be better informed or work harder to make certain Trump can't get away with his shenanigans than Warren. I also love Buttigieg, but can you imagine him having a sit-down meeting with world leaders like Putin and leaders of Arab nations who are vehemently anti-gay? I fully support LGBT people, but anti-gay leaders won't even want to talk to him. That could be a problem. I know, some of them won't want to talk to a woman either but we've now had enough women on the world stage that it should no longer be much of a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 9:13:34 GMT -5
Steyer was on The View last week. He didn't say anything I hadn't heard before. I don't think a Billionaire should be in the White House. I was not impressed with him.
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Post by notbob on Aug 11, 2019 11:38:27 GMT -5
Steyer was on The View last week. He didn't say anything I hadn't heard before. I don't think a Billionaire should be in the White House. I was not impressed with him.
I agree, except he has used a substantial chunk of his vast wealth to help bring our biggest problem to the forefront - campaign financing. He will not get my vote in the primary, but I'd like to see him on the debate stage. Some of the candidates who are running are sponsored by special interests with deep pockets. Biden is one of them. For that reason (and his age, his gaffs, his wimpiness, etc.), Biden (and others) also won't get my vote, but I'm glad to have most of them on the debate stage. We've heard some interesting ideas and concepts from candidates who have no chance. Steyer represents the billionaire class that actually wants what's best for the masses. No one in that class likes paying taxes any more than anyone else, but some of them recognize how corrupt and consequently, unfair our system is. I don't want a billionaire to represent my interests, but I'd like to hear from billionaires who are on the side of the masses. Their voices are important and can bring credibility to the voices of the poor and working class merely by openly recognizing how their class has so horribly distorted our system of government. I tend to believe his intentions are honorable...but who knows? If he were to get elected, he might be another power-seeking greedy bast*rd like our traitor in chief.
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Post by suds00 on Aug 13, 2019 16:42:02 GMT -5
apparently we are not all looking for career politicians to be president.he would be better than trump.he appears to be somewhat stable even though he changed his position on running.now trump is complaining that he's losing a fortune.
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Post by Warrigal on Aug 14, 2019 3:05:26 GMT -5
This is not a case of "only in America". Our first ever woman Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, was very special and she was the subject of the most terrible, misogynistic attack until she became an electoral liability. Then she was deposed from within her party. Nevertheless, she did achieve a few lasting reforms that I for one am very grateful for.
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