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Post by tnthomas on Jul 21, 2019 15:33:54 GMT -5
Yoga, tai chi, chiropractic, etc., will get rid of the pain. You need to get balanced! It's even obvious from your photo that your spine is not balanced. You could post more pictures for us, if you want. Maybe we could diagnose it better. Lol, my avatar is not a photo of me, that is Milton Waddams from the 1999 'cult' comedy movie "Office Space". Here is a classic scene: A Milton Waddams .gif: By the way, did you ever have x-rays? Do you have herniated discs or severe osteoarthritis? If not, then your pain is probably one hundred percent muscular, and caused by subluxations. Chiropractic subluxations are subtle displacements of joints, which interfere with the transmission of chi (life energy). Even-though I asked for and MRI, they took some x-rays a couple years ago....of course, the x-rays showed nothing. Waste of time. "subluxations"....I've seen that word used here and there, never googled it until now:
In medicine, a subluxation is an incomplete or partial dislocation of a joint or organ. According to the WHO, it is a "significant structural displacement", and therefore, unlike the chiropractic belief of "vertebral subluxation", is always visible on static imaging studies, such as X-rays. Hmmm, seems like if I had a subluxation it should have showed up on the x-rays they took. I still think the pain is mostly muscular, because it resides just below my shoulder "blades", and is intermittent, not constant. And yes, I think there is a connection between the pain and something blocking the Qi (chi) in that location.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 21, 2019 16:09:41 GMT -5
It's aging, wear and tear and TODAY more than ever people are sitting for hours on end....talk about the discs degenerating. Years ago I even did an inversion table to get stretched out.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 21, 2019 16:39:16 GMT -5
Yoga, tai chi, chiropractic, etc., will get rid of the pain. You need to get balanced! It's even obvious from your photo that your spine is not balanced. You could post more pictures for us, if you want. Maybe we could diagnose it better. Lol, my avatar is not a photo of me, that is Milton Waddams from the 1999 'cult' comedy movie "Office Space". Here is a classic scene: Oh haha, I don't have a TV, didn't know! Well, that guy should do yoga!
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 21, 2019 16:42:04 GMT -5
In medicine, a subluxation is an incomplete or partial dislocation of a joint or organ. According to the WHO, it is a "significant structural displacement", and therefore, unlike the chiropractic belief of "vertebral subluxation", is always visible on static imaging studies, such as X-rays.
Hmmm, seems like if I had a subluxation it should have showed up on the x-rays they took. I still think the pain is mostly muscular, because it resides just below my shoulder "blades", and is intermittent, not constant. And yes, I think there is a connection between the pain and something blocking the Qi (chi) in that location.
Chiropractic subluxations might not show up on an x-ray. Or if they do show up on an x-ray, maybe only chiropractors can see them. The two kinds of subluxation are very different. Our health depends entirely on circulation and balance of Qi. But modern mainstream medicine denies it exists! That is why we can't depend entirely on MDs to take care of our health!!
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 21, 2019 16:43:13 GMT -5
It's aging, wear and tear and TODAY more than ever people are sitting for hours on end....talk about the discs degenerating. Years ago I even did an inversion table to get stretched out. I think inversion is a good idea. Why not? It would take pressure off the discs. I wish I had one. But I do headstands and forearm stands twice every day, so that should help. Being inverted is very important in yoga! I don't know why, but it is.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 21, 2019 17:51:36 GMT -5
Our health depends entirely on circulation and balance of Qi. But modern mainstream medicine denies it exists! That is why we can't depend entirely on MDs to take care of our health!! I'm not sure if Western medicine specifically denies the existence of Qi, but they use the Scientific Method, and if you can't see something or measure it in anyway then it can't be confirmed to exist or be real. But yeah, by the time most of us get to the age we are today, we've certainly come to realize that modern medicine fails short of being a complete remedy.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 21, 2019 19:05:49 GMT -5
Our health depends entirely on circulation and balance of Qi. But modern mainstream medicine denies it exists! That is why we can't depend entirely on MDs to take care of our health!! I'm not sure if Western medicine specifically denies the existence of Qi, but they use the Scientific Method, and if you can't see something or measure it in anyway then it can't be confirmed to exist or be real. But yeah, by the time most of us get to the age we are today, we've certainly come to realize that modern medicine fails short of being a complete remedy. They specifically deny the existence of Qi, and have for a long time. They can't see or measure Qi because they don't look for it, because they don't believe it exists. Many things have been unknown to science, before there was a way to detect them. The scientific method isn't magic! And it is not possessed only by mainstream science!! Alternative science uses the scientific method also!!!!!!!!
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 21, 2019 21:15:52 GMT -5
The scientific method isn't magic! And it is not possessed only by mainstream science! No, no magic by any standard at all, but rather an empirical system by which one can search for facts and eliminate 'magical' beliefs.
I just bought a bottle of aspirin today at the supermarket, I took (3) 325mg tablets for my usual below-the right-shoulder blade pain, will be interested to see how well it does.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 21, 2019 21:20:36 GMT -5
The scientific method isn't magic! And it is not possessed only by mainstream science! No, no magic by any standard at all, but rather an empirical system by which one can search for facts and eliminate 'magical' beliefs.
Sorry, you are not understanding me. There are serious misconceptions about science these days. If mainstream science has not found evidence of Qi, that does NOT mean Qi doesn't exist. Mainstream science has no instruments that can detect Qi, because they have never been interested in looking for it. And you think the purpose of science is to eliminate magical beliefs! Well, ok, maybe sometimes. But more often, mainstream science just calls things it doesn't believe in magic. Like Qi! Mainstream science says it's not real, and it's magic. Well A LOT of things that mainstream science calls magic are REAL. We need to get unconfused! How can we do that? I don't know!!! Do you hear me???
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 21, 2019 21:48:38 GMT -5
Sorry, you are not understanding me. I am sorry but I am understanding you quite well, unless you have not articulated part of your intended position in type written form here. We need to get unconfused! How can we do that? I don't know!!! Do you hear me??? I can't answer that, I am not confused by anything we've discussed here. If mainstream science has not found evidence of Qi, that does NOT mean Qi doesn't exist. I understand that quite well, am in complete agreement with you on that point, and thought I had made that clear in my previous responses.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 22, 2019 5:34:53 GMT -5
Sorry, you are not understanding me. I am sorry but I am understanding you quite well, unless you have not articulated part of your intended position in type written form here. We need to get unconfused! How can we do that? I don't know!!! Do you hear me??? I can't answer that, I am not confused by anything we've discussed here. If mainstream science has not found evidence of Qi, that does NOT mean Qi doesn't exist. I understand that quite well, am in complete agreement with you on that point, and thought I had made that clear in my previous responses. You seemed to be saying that mainstream medicine has the scientific method, and therefore it can't be wrong. It can be wrong and it often is wrong! And mainstream medicine does not own the scientific method! And there is a very common misconception about the scientific method, that it inevitably leads us to truth. No. The scientific method can tell us when our ideas are wrong. It can rule things out. But it can't lead us anywhere. It can't help us come up with new ideas. The scientific method is NOT creative. Maybe someone could invent an instrument that detects Qi. But that would take creativity, which the scientific method cannot provide. Mainstream science and medicine deny everything that is spiritual! Our mainstream science has become strictly materialist! Many things they call magic are real. Magic is real, in my opinion. And most alternative scientists would probably agree. Most people don't even know that alternative science exists. It does exist, and it uses the scientific method. But alternative scientists believe in Qi (or chi, or life energy). OBVIOUSLY Qi is real! But they are capable of denying things that are obviously real, including all ancient wisdom. If you want to see for yourself, read the sciencebasedmedicine blog, or neurologica.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 22, 2019 14:46:24 GMT -5
You seemed to be saying that mainstream medicine has the scientific method, and therefore it can't be wrong. It can be wrong and it often is wrong! And mainstream medicine does not own the scientific method! It may "seem" that way to you, but I have no control over how you perceive what I've said. I never said any of what you're suggesting in the above quotation.
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Post by butterfly on Jul 23, 2019 3:55:36 GMT -5
The scientific method isn't magic! And it is not possessed only by mainstream science! No, no magic by any standard at all, but rather an empirical system by which one can search for facts and eliminate 'magical' beliefs.
I just bought a bottle of aspirin today at the supermarket, I took (3) 325mg tablets for my usual below-the right-shoulder blade pain, will be interested to see how well it does.
I have pain right below my shoulder blades also. I've been told, and I believe it's true, that it's mostly the result of a lifetime sitting over keyboards (first typewriters and then later computers), which can cause shortening of some muscles. Evidently "mousing" is a big cause of that sort of pain as well, as it causes repetitive unnatural motion of your arm. I have trouble in my neck, too, and I'm sure that's related to keyboards.
My lower back stuff is related to a really bad car crash when I was 16. It's ongoing and intermittent. I've been pretty much able to learn what movements cause it to act up and I try to avoid them when possible.
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Post by 2old on Jul 23, 2019 14:00:58 GMT -5
Left leg just above ankle broken when in high school. Left wrist broken. Every toe on both feet broken at least once. Chip out of left shin from missing a board with the claws of a 20 oz framing hammer. Right thumb dislocated. Left knee shattered when slide off a building in 1977. Total replacement of that knee in 2009. Right knee still has a piece of lead in it. (Long story.) Right shoulder damaged from a fall off a ladder. Nerve running up left side of neck damaged when a ladder fell hard enough to break the harness in my hardhat. Back... Began having back trouble when in high school. Lifting milk cans into the cooler. Throwing hay bales. Through 40 years in construction and engineering seemed to have the back out more than in. Operations for carpal tunnel (both hands), appendicitis and removal of a kidney stone. Sheesh! That's all that comes to mind... other than passing 6 more kidney stones over the years.
Maybe once/month the back might act up or the nerve in my neck tighten up. Two Aleve will take care of that. Once in a blue moon, I might have a headache. A couple Tylenol fixes those. If something twinges, I know I woke up this morning. Been to a chiropractor once in my life. Wanted me to commit to returning every week. Never went back and won't go to one again. Don't need them. Annual physical is only time I try to step into a doctor's office. Almost 200 rounds of golf last year and just about to 100 this year. If back is twinging, swinging the golf club looses it up and the pain goes away.
At almost 73 years old, this body has been used and abused. Still, I stay active and relatively without pain. Worst thing, anymore, is like driving for 10 hours yesterday. Takes me about a half dozen steps when getting out of the car to get moving.
I take one 81 mg aspirin each morning as a suggestion from the doctor. "Old man's" multivitamin, 2,000 mg fish oil, 500 mg Vitamin C tablet with my aspirin each morning. Statin each evening. Nothing else. Have never had an issue with NSAIDs.
Each person has a different pain threshold. I still can probably find some strong pain killers around the house prescribed for knee replacement, tooth extraction, carpal tunnel, etc. Never took any that were prescribed. After TKR, was supposed to use a walker for a month. Mowed yard with push mower at 2 1/2 weeks. Wife says she is still mad about that. Carpal tunnel? Doc said not to swing a golf club for 30 days. Left hand was done first. Played golf 7 days out. Tore out some stiches and went back for them to repair. Right hand done a few weeks later. Gave that one 8 days before playing golf. Ripped that one open enough it bled a little. Stitches still looked good so never went back. Both healed well and have never given any trouble.
I'm probably a "throw back"... a doctor's nightmare. It's the way I've lived and the way I'll probably die. Wouldn't recommend for everyone but has worked for me.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 23, 2019 14:02:23 GMT -5
I have pain right below my shoulder blades also. I've been told, and I believe it's true, that it's mostly the result of a lifetime sitting over keyboards (first typewriters and then later computers), which can cause shortening of some muscles. That is interesting to hear, as it is my right shoulder blade(the mousing side) that is the problematic one. I do spend more time on the computer than is healthy... Yoga!
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