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Post by tnthomas on Jul 19, 2019 15:59:55 GMT -5
I have ongoing medium back pain every day, It's unlikely that my Dr. would prescribe a real pain med...what is likely is that my Dr. would suggest taking Tylenol. Tylenol IS safe, however it does nothing for me, and I've never met anyone that thought Tylenol helped in the least.
Motrin will help to some degree, but I am concerned about the increase risk of heart attack and stroke that comes with taking NSAIDS.
Alternative pain relief that I've used:
Hot / cold compress
Yoga
Hot shower
CBD oil
....out of those mentioned the hot compress and hot shower are the best, most direct and fastest acting pain remedies. Yoga is awesome on many levels, and helps in the short term. CBD oil does nothing that I can precieve, for either pain or anxiety.
So getting back to NSAIDS- how much risk do you think there in taking say, 400 mg of Motrin in a day, perhaps 3 or 4 times a week?
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 19, 2019 16:07:26 GMT -5
I have ongoing medium back pain every day, It's unlikely that my Dr. would prescribe a real pain med...what is likely is that my Dr. would suggest taking Tylenol. Tylenol IS safe, however it does nothing for me, and I've never met anyone that thought Tylenol helped in the least.
Motrin will help to some degree, but I am concerned about the increase risk of heart attack and stroke that comes with taking NSAIDS.
Alternative pain relief that I've used:
Hot / cold compress
Yoga
Hot shower
CBD oil
....out of those mentioned the hot compress and hot shower are the best, most direct and fastest acting pain remedies. Yoga is awesome on many levels, and helps in the short term. CBD oil does nothing that I can precieve, for either pain or anxiety.
So getting back to NSAIDS- how much risk do you think there in taking say, 400 mg of Motrin in a day, perhaps 3 or 4 times a week?
Yoga will permanently get rid of pain. But it's not so easy. There is something out of alignment in your spine and you have to figure out what it is and correct it. It's probably just a bad habit, maybe because of the way you sit. You have to make this correction many many times, and be conscious of it all the time. You can fix your spine. Also remember that if there is a misalignment, or subluxation, in one part of the spine that means the entire spine is not quite right. I am not a medical doctor so don't take my advice if you don't like it. Your medical doctor probably doesn't know anything about yoga, but you can ask him just for the heck of it. I have done yoga for almost my entire life, and I still am not finished correcting all my bad habits and injuries. That's the bad news but the good news is I seldom have pain, and I'm 66. I have not done any formal research on the benefits of yoga, nothing published in a mainstream journal. Don't take my word for it, I don't get paid to practice yoga.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 19, 2019 16:14:07 GMT -5
I like the benefits of Taichi too, but don't have access to "live" in-person sessions. I do however follow videos I have paid access to at:
My yoga instructor has mentioned she is working to put together a Taichi class off site from the gym; uncertain when / if that will materialize.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 19, 2019 17:15:18 GMT -5
I like the benefits of Taichi too, but don't have access to "live" in-person sessions. I do however follow videos I have paid access to at:
My yoga instructor has mentioned she is working to put together a Taichi class off site from the gym; uncertain when / if that will materialize.
Becoming aware of the spine and of how the muscles feel is really important. When doing a yoga position, notice how the muscles feel. Try to figure out exactly what is wrong with your spine. Old habits are very stubborn, so it takes a lot of effort and awareness. When you are doing something right, you will feel it. Decades of bad old habits can be released. This is only my opinion and no one is under any kind of obligation to take it as advice. I am not a health professional. I have not published any research on the benefits of yoga. Ask your doctor if yoga is better than painkilling drugs and he will say no. But at least you asked. Do NOT believe some nut on an internet health forum. Even if that nut has a lifetime of experience with yoga. Only believe your doctor, even though they do not understand anything about the philosophy of yoga, or how and why it works.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 19, 2019 18:00:57 GMT -5
Decades of bad old habits can be released. I suspect that at least some portion of my back discomfort may be a result of "old habits"(bad posture,etc).
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 19, 2019 18:14:11 GMT -5
Decades of bad old habits can be released. I suspect that at least some portion of my back discomfort may be a result of "old habits"(bad posture,etc). Yes, I promise you!! But don't believe me I'm just an internet nut. I have never done any formal research on the health benefits of yoga, have never published a scientific paper in a mainstream journal on how yoga can cure your back pain. (Disclaimers are required here )
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 19, 2019 18:20:58 GMT -5
Decades of bad old habits can be released. I suspect that at least some portion of my back discomfort may be a result of "old habits"(bad posture,etc). Also, tnthomas, painkillers are not a longterm solution. For one thing, they can dull the pain, and the pain is an important signal, telling you something is wrong! And besides, the longer you take a drug the more likely it will cause side effects. It is amazing, to me, how easily the spine can get out of balance. At least mine can. As a result I had fibromyalgia for many years, and that is no fun. I had a car accident when I was young that knocked everything out of alignment. We get used to things being wrong, and that feels normal to us. Yoga, and other kinds of body work, can help us get back to real normal. And real normal feels amazing!!! Don't give up, you are going in the right direction. Just don't listen to doctors who try to convince you the back pain is an inevitable result of age! NO it isn't!! It is the result of muscles being out of balance, and joints having subluxations. If you have not tried chiropractic you should. Beware of MDs they love drugs and surgery. Disclaimer: I do not have a degree from a major university in yoga.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 19, 2019 18:51:12 GMT -5
Life is pain, to think we will be out of it is stinkin thinkin and the older one gets the more we shrink and the discs degenerate and the beat goes on. I live with 60+ yrs of OA back and body pain and thank goodness I have the good sense to NOT get on the heavy toxic drugs. Ibuprofen and others are enough as it is. I've been able to "make it" with this combo every 6 hrs. 1 200mg ibuprofen, 1 tylenol generic extra strength 500mg, and 1 Pain RX www.ebay.com/itm/Hi-Tech-Pharmaceuticals-Pain-Rx-Revolutionary-Fast-Natural-Pain-Relief-NEW-3-20-/254250179845You may use all 3 or a combination of the three, or take 2 ibuprofen and 1 tylenol etc etc.. Depends on one's pain issues and BE SURE TO TAKE WITH FOOD. Stretching and regular bodywork is excellent and I see a D.O. every 3-4 weeks who gives my body a work out. Yoga would be good if one does it faithfully and of course keeping weight down. I have used many topicals over the last 20-30 yrs and the best in my pain issues are: Topricin Homeopathic Lotion for pain and Ultra Tiger Balm. The above is what I do and a Disclaimer of course, talk to doctor with any concerns etc.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 19, 2019 18:54:14 GMT -5
painkillers are not a longterm solution. Absolutely, but sometimes I just want a quick n' easy solution. If I drank, alcohol would probably suffice, but I'm not going in that direction. I had fibromyalgia for many years, and that is no fun. Are you saying that you no longer have fibromyalgia? If you have not tried chiropractic you should. I've been considering that, my Kaiser Permanente medical does cover chiropractic service from 3rd party providers, and there is a chiropractor just a few yards from the fitness center I frequent.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 19, 2019 18:54:41 GMT -5
Life is pain, to think we will be out of it is stinkin thinkin and the older one gets the more we shrink and the discs degenerate and the beat goes on. I live with 60+ yrs of OA back and body pain and thank goodness I have the good sense to NOT get on the heavy toxic drugs. Ibuprofen and others are enough as it is. I've been able to "make it" with this combo every 6 hrs. 1 200mg ibuprofen, 1 tylenol generic extra strength 500mg, and 1 Pain RX www.ebay.com/itm/Hi-Tech-Pharmaceuticals-Pain-Rx-Revolutionary-Fast-Natural-Pain-Relief-NEW-3-20-/254250179845You may use all 3 or a combination of the three, or take 2 ibuprofen and 1 tylenol etc etc.. Depends on one's pain issues and BE SURE TO TAKE WITH FOOD. Stretching and regular bodywork is excellent and I see a D.O. every 3-4 weeks who gives my body a work out. Yoga would be good if one does it faithfully and of course keeping weight down. The above is what I do and a Disclaimer of course, talk to doctor if any concerns etc. Your advice is good for someone with arthritis pain joymarty, but his pain might just be from misalignment and muscle tension. He could take the pain meds temporarily, or only when the pain is severe. This is just my opinion, and please talk to your doctor even though he will recommend drugs. Just ignore most of what he says. But do talk to him.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 19, 2019 19:02:59 GMT -5
painkillers are not a longterm solution. Absolutely, but sometimes I just want a quick n' easy solution. If I drank, alcohol would probably suffice, but I'm not going in that direction. I had fibromyalgia for many years, and that is no fun. Are you saying that you no longer have fibromyalgia? If you have not tried chiropractic you should. I've been considering that, my Kaiser Permanente medical does cover chiropractic service from 3rd party providers, and there is a chiropractor just a few yards from the fitness center I frequent. I think I still have fibromyalgia because sometimes I get stressed out and tense, and my spine gets wacko and I feel some pain. But it's never anything like when I was young. It was bad!! And now, most of the time, I don't have any pain. So age does not inevitably lead to increasing pain! It's the bad habits that get worse over time that caused the increasing pain. Yes, try chiropractic. If it doesn't help at least it won't do any harm. Chiropractic alone is not enough. You have to change those bad habits. You have to think about ergonomics. No, it's not what we want to think about but that's how to change those bad habits and get rid of pain. Very often I forget and slide back into bad old habits. I have to remind myself. It's a struggle but it's worth it! Don't listen to me, I am not a paid expert. But I know what I am talking about, after 40+ years of experience with pain and yoga! Not only will you get rid of pain, you will have more energy! MDs tell us that energy naturally declines with age, as pain increases. NO! Energy decreases and pain increases because bad old habits keep getting worse! Don't listen to me! I'm just someone who has suffered and recovered to some extent, without the help of medical experts!!
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Post by joymarty on Jul 19, 2019 19:39:44 GMT -5
There is a lot of info on the fibro thyroid connection. So many are given the FM dx when a doc doesn't know what else to do. That's how I believe I got the dx...I was looking for 10 yrs to get thyroid "fixed" and an endo said your thyroid is fine but you have FM....then there is a totally new label.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 19, 2019 19:51:08 GMT -5
There is a lot of info on the fibro thyroid connection. So many are given the FM dx when a doc doesn't know what else to do. That's how I believe I got the dx...I was looking for 10 yrs to get thyroid "fixed" and an endo said your thyroid is fine but you have FM....then there is a totally new label. According to what I have read, FM can result from a trauma, such as a car accident. I think that's how I got it. It can also be from emotional trauma, supposedly. I didn't know it could be related to thyroid, but if someone has FM everything can be disrupted. I had a neck injury from a car accident, and I think neck injuries are a common cause of health problems. Chiropractors have always said that, but MDs deny it. I definitely believe it. When my neck is out of alignment I can be miserable in all kinds of ways. And the thyroid is in the neck. I know someone who gets terrible migraines and her neck was very badly injured. I keep telling her the migraines are from the neck injury but she won't believe me because that's not what her medical doctors say. So she continues to have those agonizing migraines that make her want to die. Don't take my advice, what do I know. Talk to your doctor. But don't take his drugs. Try the natural way first.
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Post by nkat on Jul 19, 2019 20:45:20 GMT -5
Life is pain, to think we will be out of it is stinkin thinkin and the older one gets the more we shrink and the discs degenerate and the beat goes on. I live with 60+ yrs of OA back and body pain and thank goodness I have the good sense to NOT get on the heavy toxic drugs. Ibuprofen and others are enough as it is. I've been able to "make it" with this combo every 6 hrs. 1 200mg ibuprofen, 1 tylenol generic extra strength 500mg, and 1 Pain RX www.ebay.com/itm/Hi-Tech-Pharmaceuticals-Pain-Rx-Revolutionary-Fast-Natural-Pain-Relief-NEW-3-20-/254250179845You may use all 3 or a combination of the three, or take 2 ibuprofen and 1 tylenol etc etc.. Depends on one's pain issues and BE SURE TO TAKE WITH FOOD. Stretching and regular bodywork is excellent and I see a D.O. every 3-4 weeks who gives my body a work out. Yoga would be good if one does it faithfully and of course keeping weight down. I have used many topicals over the last 20-30 yrs and the best in my pain issues are: Topricin Homeopathic Lotion for pain and Ultra Tiger Balm. The above is what I do and a Disclaimer of course, talk to doctor with any concerns etc. Thanks, I have to try 2 ibuprofen and one Tylenol. I have OA and a shattered disc. I have been to therapy and do those exercises. nkat
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 19, 2019 21:09:12 GMT -5
According to what I have read, FM can result from a trauma, such as a car accident. I think that's how I got it. It can also be from emotional trauma, supposedly. In the early '90s a co-worker at the steel mill we worked got a couple pretty traumatic injuries in a short time period. Not long after, he came down with Multiple Sclerosis. He was told the traumatic injuries likely triggered the onset of the MS. It's my view that a lot of autoimmune disorders can be triggered by physical or emotional trauma.
Back to my original thought: are NSAIDs taken in low dose an 'acceptable risk' for minor/moderate pain? Around the time I first posted I took my little pain cocktail consisting of:
400mg Motrin+1000mg Tylenol+20mg Baclofen. It worked! For a while, anyway...
Maybe I should break out my yoga mat and go into Bālāsana(child's pose). The floor is dirty tho'.
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