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Post by good4nothin on Jul 8, 2019 12:09:26 GMT -5
Some people are interested in health and are aware of the importance of lifestyle. But it seems to me that most are not, and most don't want to be bothered.
Do you think this is true? I know people who never think about exercise, who don't know the basics of nutrition, and who don't try to avoid toxic chemicals.
I have been interested in health most of my life, maybe because I had problems with it. If I had always felt good, maybe I would not have become interested.
Now I'm 66 and I always think about health. I don't trust the medical experts, whether mainstream or holistic. I read various things and think about what makes sense to me.
Of course anyone can get sick, no matter how careful they are. But certain things are so easy to avoid -- for example beauty products with toxic ingredients. I know women with autoimmune disorders who dye their hair, and they never wonder if the toxic chemicals might cause or contribute.
Most people I know do not make exercise a priority. Because most of us don't do any physical work and we drive everywhere, we have to consciously make time for exercise. It's easy to forget, so most people don't do it.
And most people don't know that white bread and pasta are as bad as refined sugar.
Most people trust their medical doctors, and don't know that drugs are over-prescribed. They don't know that cholesterol-lowering (statin) drugs are likely to cause muscle and joint pain, and other bad side effects.
For example, I know someone who takes statin drugs, and is disabled by gout, which can be a side effect of statins. His doctor should have told him to stop the drug for a couple of weeks and see if the gout improves. But instead, he was given prednisone.
Steroids, like prednisone, damage all aspects of health. They can help symptoms so doctors love to prescribe them.
I had actually told this person that statin drugs cause pain, including gout. But since I'm not an MD he wouldn't believe me.
Most people I know don't smoke cigarettes though. People do seem to have become aware of the dangers of smoking. But they are not aware of the dangers of lack of exercise, bad nutrition, or drugs and other toxic chemicals.
Have you noticed this?
Why isn't there a public education campaign about health basics, like there was about cigarettes? Maybe because the drug companies want people to stay ignorant and sick and dependent on drugs?
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Post by nkat on Jul 8, 2019 12:40:13 GMT -5
If you had to worry about everything, you would stress yourself to death.
Nkat
Sometimes you just have to enjoy life and eat that banana split.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 8, 2019 13:12:53 GMT -5
If you had to worry about everything, you would stress yourself to death. Nkat Sometimes you just have to enjoy life and eat that banana split. I do NOT try to be perfect about health. It's impossible, because there are toxins everywhere. But just plain simple basics aren't that difficult. I was trying to say that most people don't seem to worry about any of those things, and just believe whatever their MD says.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 8, 2019 13:30:08 GMT -5
I enjoyed plenty of fun stuff in my life and a few banana splits along the way, but woke up and know I don't want pharma drugs in my body, so do all I can to avoid those drugs. We who think that way are more in the minority but people are waking up more and more with all the damage they are trying to undo.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 8, 2019 14:29:50 GMT -5
I enjoyed plenty of fun stuff in my life and a few banana splits along the way, but woke up and know I don't want pharma drugs in my body, so do all I can to avoid those drugs. We who think that way are more in the minority but people are waking up more and more with all the damage they are trying to undo. I hope things are improving. If people can become aware about cigarettes, they can become aware of refined carbohydrates and lack of exercise. But medical doctors are giving them some bad information. That the drugs are almost completely harmless. I know I don't do everything perfectly and I don't know everything about health. But I follow some basic simple rules and at least I am trying. I would have a banana split if I felt like it, or an entire container of Ben and Jerry's. I don't think that's a big deal. But I understand that you can't do that every day, or every other day. Maybe once a week. And I doubt that medical doctors tell their patients about the importance of yoga or some kind of stretching. I think that is critical for good health. And moderate aerobic exercise every day. It's all really simple and easy. You don't have to lift weights or run marathons.
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Post by nkat on Jul 8, 2019 17:07:35 GMT -5
My dr is always asking do you exercise? Sometimes I want to say , no I sit there and eat bonbons all day. Any type of movement is beneficial. Food wise what is in one day is out the next. Moderation is the key.
nkat
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 8, 2019 17:41:24 GMT -5
I don't follow any specific nutrition advice, because as you said it's always changing. I just try to vary what I eat and make it reasonably natural. I am not someone who is going to grow their own food and spend all day in the kitchen.
Yes, we have to move, but most Americans don't. I don't know if most MDs ask their patients if they exercise, since most MDs probably don't have time for it.
It's just my opinion, based on all I have read about health so far, but I think moving the muscles is essential for good health. Medical science does say this, but they recommend a very small amount of exercise.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 8, 2019 17:58:55 GMT -5
A lot of younger population are obsessed with moving, running, etc. and are ending up with a lot of joint damage in the end. I was a bit obsessed but didn't run and did the gym for years and walked a lot.
My folks lived into 90's and did the normal stuff in life, walking, mom scrubbed t he floors, washed walls, hung clothes....dad boweled and played softball when younger guy.
We're fortunate if we can escape without cancers.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 8, 2019 18:43:23 GMT -5
A lot of younger population are obsessed with moving, running, etc. and are ending up with a lot of joint damage in the end. I was a bit obsessed but didn't run and did the gym for years and walked a lot. My folks lived into 90's and did the normal stuff in life, walking, mom scrubbed t he floors, washed walls, hung clothes....dad boweled and played softball when younger guy. We're fortunate if we can escape without cancers. Excessive intense exercise might not be good. And exercise without stretching might cause damage. Moderate and reasonable exercise, with stretching, probably won't damage joints. It actually should make the joints stronger. People used to walk a lot, out of necessity and also for relaxation. Going for a walk was normal, but now it's very unusual. Lots of people think I don't have a car, just because they see me walking (and not with a dog). Now when people want to get out, they go for a drive in the car. More sitting.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 8, 2019 21:10:37 GMT -5
I know people who never think about exercise, who don't know the basics of nutrition, and who don't try to avoid toxic chemicals. Oh yes, I do know people like this, makes me crazy. A couple tenets I strive to abide by: 1. Drastically limit sugar, salt & fat. 2. Practice portion control. 3.Sitting around kills, move your butt.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 9, 2019 6:31:42 GMT -5
I know people who never think about exercise, who don't know the basics of nutrition, and who don't try to avoid toxic chemicals. Oh yes, I do know people like this, makes me crazy. A couple tenets I strive to abide by: 1. Drastically limit sugar, salt & fat. 2. Practice portion control. 3.Sitting around kills, move your butt. I try to limit refined sugar, and also refined flour. I don't worry about salt, as long as it's sea salt. And I don't worry about fat, as long as it's natural. Artificial vegetable oil is BAD. Supposedly canola oil is better for you than natural butter -- NOT TRUE! I never worry about portion control. Your body knows when it had enough. I can't imagine measuring what I eat! But I agree that sitting too much is bad. It damages the metabolism, and also the joints. I sit a lot because my hobby is music and I practice all day. (When I was working I sat all day at work). But I have always walked one or two hours every day, so hopefully that makes up for it. And yoga helps correct the spine problems that are caused by sitting. It also makes you aware of how to sit correctly.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 9, 2019 21:22:43 GMT -5
I can't imagine measuring what I eat! Me neither, but that's what I'm doing on my "I shall lose weight and am not taking any prisoners"...weight loss crusade. If I don't know the quantities then my food journaling is meaningless, so measuring is mandatory.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 10, 2019 5:01:43 GMT -5
I can't imagine measuring what I eat! Me neither, but that's what I'm doing on my "I shall lose weight and am not taking any prisoners"...weight loss crusade. If I don't know the quantities then my food journaling is meaningless, so measuring is mandatory. If what you eat is more or less natural, not refined or manufactured, and you get some exercise every day, then your weight should stay normal. I think it's just another mainstream medical myth that you have to count calories. The body has elaborate natural systems for keeping weight in a normal range. It's the unnatural lifestyle that prevents that from working. And avoiding salt and fat is another mainstream medical myth. As long as they are natural they are ok. It helps to read various kinds of health websites, not just the official mainstream ones.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 10, 2019 7:55:15 GMT -5
medical doctors are giving them some bad information. Then it's time to find a new doctor!
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Post by louie on Jul 10, 2019 9:27:26 GMT -5
Excessive intense exercise might not be good. And exercise without stretching might cause damage. Moderate and reasonable exercise, with stretching, probably won't damage joints. It actually should make the joints stronger. People used to walk a lot, out of necessity and also for relaxation. Going for a walk was normal, but now it's very unusual. Lots of people think I don't have a car, just because they see me walking (and not with a dog). Now when people want to get out, they go for a drive in the car. More sitting. I do go to the gym between 3 to 5 days a week. My family has always been very active. My grandmother would walk us two miles to the lake to go fishing in a row boat and then back carrying our catch of the day. Grandmom did not drive so she walked unless it was to town and she needed a ride to get there. I ran in college. Track and Field and Cross Country. I hike nearly every day now and that is even after I do my gym workout. My MIL had always been under the impression that pills were always better than managing her diet. A pill for this, for that, and ...well, no exercise ever because that might cause her to be tired/sore or something. Her health headed south very quickly this past few years. My husband decided the doctors knew nothing about blood pressure and he didn't like the pills. TIA's didn't change his mind. A stroke did. The point is, some people can't/don't want to/ or just are not motivated to try to improve their health by a little tiny bit of moving around. I admit, I probably am more active than most folks my age [63], but I take care of a hobby farm and Care for my husband. I need my strength and I need to exercise for my mental health and body health. I have a hard time understanding why my in laws are so against any kind of exercise. My step daughter has bad high blood pressure and a weight problem that is effecting her joints. Her solution is to not walk because it might hurt, not lose weight because she might have to sweat, and just take pills and not worry about it. Sigh.
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