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Post by good4nothin on Jul 10, 2019 10:29:21 GMT -5
Excessive intense exercise might not be good. And exercise without stretching might cause damage. Moderate and reasonable exercise, with stretching, probably won't damage joints. It actually should make the joints stronger. People used to walk a lot, out of necessity and also for relaxation. Going for a walk was normal, but now it's very unusual. Lots of people think I don't have a car, just because they see me walking (and not with a dog). Now when people want to get out, they go for a drive in the car. More sitting. I do go to the gym between 3 to 5 days a week. My family has always been very active. My grandmother would walk us two miles to the lake to go fishing in a row boat and then back carrying our catch of the day. Grandmom did not drive so she walked unless it was to town and she needed a ride to get there. I ran in college. Track and Field and Cross Country. I hike nearly every day now and that is even after I do my gym workout. My MIL had always been under the impression that pills were always better than managing her diet. A pill for this, for that, and ...well, no exercise ever because that might cause her to be tired/sore or something. Her health headed south very quickly this past few years. My husband decided the doctors knew nothing about blood pressure and he didn't like the pills. TIA's didn't change his mind. A stroke did. The point is, some people can't/don't want to/ or just are not motivated to try to improve their health by a little tiny bit of moving around. I admit, I probably am more active than most folks my age [63], but I take care of a hobby farm and Care for my husband. I need my strength and I need to exercise for my mental health and body health. I have a hard time understanding why my in laws are so against any kind of exercise. My step daughter has bad high blood pressure and a weight problem that is effecting her joints. Her solution is to not walk because it might hurt, not lose weight because she might have to sweat, and just take pills and not worry about it. Sigh. It really is tragic that so many people are sick because they don't understand the simple basics of health. They go their entire lives without walking, so of course walking even a short way is exhausting for them. They have no idea of the benefits they are not getting, and they have no idea how bad the pills are. I don't believe that medical doctors have the kind of knowledge that people need. If your MD looks out of shape, why would you listen to his advice about exercise? If exercise were so great for health, why doesn't he bother with it? People just need better information. So many have quit smoking because of public education campaigns. The same could be done for other aspects of health.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 10:48:00 GMT -5
It has taken a long time for these anti-smoking campaigns to arrive. I believe it didn't really happen until people starting suing drug companies for millions of $ because smoking caused them to get cancer.
As far as healthy eating and exercise, I believe those habits come from your family of origin most of the time. My mother always cooked healthy meals and had fruit for snacks. She made sure we drank milk and for awhile, way back then, had us take cod liver oil each day. We were allowed have soft drinks or candy for special occasions only.
Many people do not read about health mainly because they don't read. This is another family-learned trait....reading various books, newspapers, magazines, websites.
Most people do their best with nutrition. Some cannot afford to eat well. Some are just ignorant and don't care.
Many people (especially older ones) do whatever a doctor says or take whatever meds the doctor prescribes. They would never think of getting another doctor's opinion.
I live in a part of the U.S. where people get out and walk (with a dog or alone.) I see neighbors exercising regularly. On a walking path past my condo, lots of people walk and ride bikes or roller blade on week-ends.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 10, 2019 10:58:52 GMT -5
It has taken a long time for these anti-smoking campaigns to arrive. I believe it didn't really happen until people starting suing drug companies for millions of $ because smoking caused them to get cancer. As far as healthy eating and exercise, I believe those habits come from your family of origin most of the time. My mother always cooked healthy meals and had fruit for snacks. She made sure we drank milk and for awhile, way back then, had us take cod liver oil each day. We were allowed have soft drinks or candy for special occasions only. Many people do not read about health mainly because they don't read. This is another family-learned trait....reading various books, newspapers, magazines, websites. Most people do their best with nutrition. Some cannot afford to eat well. Some are just ignorant and don't care. Many people (especially older ones) do whatever a doctor says or take whatever meds the doctor prescribes. They would never think of getting another doctor's opinion. I live in a part of the U.S. where people get out and walk (with a dog or alone.) I see neighbors exercising regularly. On a walking path past my condo, lots of people walk and ride bikes or roller blade on week-ends. Yes, a lot of people have blind faith in their MDs. And most MDs seem to have blind faith in the drug companies. I do not think most people do their best with nutrition. The American diet is based on refined carbohydrates, and most people have no idea how unhealthy that is. Diabetes and heart disease, etc., are caused mostly by refined carbohydrates (and lack of exercise), NOT by eating fat or cholesterol! And yes, it's true, most people do not read. I have always read a lot on various subjects, including health. Sometimes I am amazed at what people don't know. It's because they do not read. If they read anything, it's a science fiction or romance novel. I have been reading non-fiction all my life. I don't just assume the mainstream medical version is correct. I look at various alternative sources of information. I don't assume any of the alternatives are correct either. I compare it all and decide what I think makes sense. And I trust my own experience. I have a lifetime of experience with walking and yoga. When I try to convince people about my health ideas, they don't believe me because I am not an MD.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 10, 2019 12:17:35 GMT -5
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 10, 2019 15:07:36 GMT -5
And many of the things in Prevention magazine turned out to be true. Mainstream medicine eventually had to admit that nutrition and exercise are important. But lifestyle still is not the priority for medical doctors, in general. They might suggest lifestyle improvements to their patients, but they don't tell them how important it is, or how toxic the drugs are.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 10, 2019 15:47:54 GMT -5
And many of the things in Prevention magazine turned out to be true. Mainstream medicine eventually had to admit that nutrition and exercise are important. But lifestyle still is not the priority for medical doctors, in general. They might suggest lifestyle improvements to their patients, but they don't tell them how important it is, or how toxic the drugs are. Duh, of course, they are not going to tell them how toxic they are, the drugs and patients pay for their lifestyles and they chose this profession, some good things to pharma and a lot of damage. I've been there. My daughter too.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 10, 2019 15:52:11 GMT -5
And many of the things in Prevention magazine turned out to be true. Mainstream medicine eventually had to admit that nutrition and exercise are important. But lifestyle still is not the priority for medical doctors, in general. They might suggest lifestyle improvements to their patients, but they don't tell them how important it is, or how toxic the drugs are. Duh, of course, they are not going to tell them how toxic they are, the drugs and patients pay for their lifestyles and they chose this profession, some good things to pharma and a lot of damage. I've been there. My daughter too. As long as the drug companies are huge and powerful, the public might never be educated about health.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 10, 2019 16:20:09 GMT -5
Don't get me totally wrong, doctors and drugs can and do save lives but for our every day going thru life and keeping healthy, not them. I do take a BP med and thyroid support and ibuprofen and that's it.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 10, 2019 17:14:39 GMT -5
Me neither, but that's what I'm doing on my "I shall lose weight and am not taking any prisoners"...weight loss crusade. If I don't know the quantities then my food journaling is meaningless, so measuring is mandatory. If what you eat is more or less natural, not refined or manufactured, and you get some exercise every day, then your weight should stay normal. I think it's just another mainstream medical myth that you have to count calories. The body has elaborate natural systems for keeping weight in a normal range. It's the unnatural lifestyle that prevents that from working. And avoiding salt and fat is another mainstream medical myth. As long as they are natural they are ok. It helps to read various kinds of health websites, not just the official mainstream ones. good4nothin , you seem to not realize that you are preaching to the choir here, when it comes the general wisdom of nutritional & health points being covered. I read a wide variety of health related sources, and can easily spot and avoid the ones that have a commercial agenda(FAKE health news). Counting calories certainly works when one is trying to loose weight, and as for salt and fat the operant word is "in moderation".
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 10, 2019 17:50:14 GMT -5
If what you eat is more or less natural, not refined or manufactured, and you get some exercise every day, then your weight should stay normal. I think it's just another mainstream medical myth that you have to count calories. The body has elaborate natural systems for keeping weight in a normal range. It's the unnatural lifestyle that prevents that from working. And avoiding salt and fat is another mainstream medical myth. As long as they are natural they are ok. It helps to read various kinds of health websites, not just the official mainstream ones. good4nothin , you seem to not realize that you are preaching to the choir here, when it comes the general wisdom of nutritional & health points being covered. I read a wide variety of health related sources, and can easily spot and avoid the ones that have a commercial agenda(FAKE health news). Counting calories certainly works when one is trying to loose weight, and as for salt and fat the operant word is "in moderation". I didn't mean to seem like I was disagreeing with you. But there are a lot of shades of grey when it comes to health advice. I always use the general rule that if something is very unnatural chances are it isn't healthy. I do realize that almost nothing is perfectly natural, and our species has been modifying nature for thousands of years. But it has become so much worse. Our mainstream medicine and science have very little respect for nature. The idea that life evolved by accident is accepted without question by many or most biologists. So I feel we have to question everything that mainstream medicine tells us. They are right about some things and wrong about others. They are right about cigarette smoking. They are partly right about nutrition and exercise. I am very glad you read various kinds of health websites. The most extreme natural health website I know of is Mercola. I don't believe all of it, but a lot of it is probably worth thinking about. I don't agree about counting calories, but that's just my opinion. It is true that we can trust ourselves to know how much food we need. I think we also get signals from our body about what kind of food we need. I don't think this should be an entirely intellectual process. Our society, in general, does not appreciate the wisdom of nature or the wisdom of our subconscious intuition. Counting calories is so typical of our mainstream medical culture. Salt and fat -- yes it should be in moderation. But I think the mainstream medical opinion that they cause heart disease and high blood pressure is wrong. Refined carbohydrates is the real problem.
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Post by louie on Jul 10, 2019 18:24:54 GMT -5
Most people do their best with nutrition. Some cannot afford to eat well. Some are just ignorant and don't care. My young friend who is 27 yrs younger than me complained after his doctor told him he had to change his eating habits or risk more hospitalizations ~~~ was upset that no one had come up with a magic pill. He then told me how hard it was to eat fresh good food because it was a strain on his budget. I had warned him a year ago that he needed to take care of himself for his two daughters. Simply put, he feels that he works long hours and cannot fit any exercise in for himself. I see his point. Hard labor, quick food, alcohol, and occasional exercise is so much easier to fit into his life. At his age though I still was a hiker and a bicyclist/trail runner. It was easy to set up night runs to fit my life raising kids and working. Not everyone is determined or energetic. Bad things can happen to us any time. I just hope it will wait a bit for me!
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 10, 2019 18:40:52 GMT -5
Most people do their best with nutrition. Some cannot afford to eat well. Some are just ignorant and don't care. My young friend who is 27 yrs younger than me complained after his doctor told him he had to change his eating habits or risk more hospitalizations ~~~ was upset that no one had come up with a magic pill. He then told me how hard it was to eat fresh good food because it was a strain on his budget. I had warned him a year ago that he needed to take care of himself for his two daughters. Simply put, he feels that he works long hours and cannot fit any exercise in for himself. I see his point. Hard labor, quick food, alcohol, and occasional exercise is so much easier to fit into his life. At his age though I still was a hiker and a bicyclist/trail runner. It was easy to set up night runs to fit my life raising kids and working. Not everyone is determined or energetic. Bad things can happen to us any time. I just hope it will wait a bit for me! It is true that exercising and buying healthy food take more time than never exercising and living on fast food. However, the same person who says he doesn't have enough time probably watches TV every day. Right? Well, if you cut back on TV you suddenly have a lot more time. So then he tells you he needs TV to relax after working all day. No, it's just a habit, and probably not very relaxing anyway. It's like smokers who say they need cigarettes to relax. No, they can find plenty of other ways to relax. Bad habits can be broken. If you think of exercise and nutrition as priorities you will find time, and it doesn't even have to be that much. I hope you can convince your friend somehow. Of course, I do realize that it's almost impossible to convert anyone to health consciousness. They will pretend to listen and agree, and then go on exactly the same as before.
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Post by louie on Jul 11, 2019 6:37:22 GMT -5
Well, if you cut back on TV you suddenly have a lot more time. We disconnected our satellite dish in 1998. Tossed out the TV. We do now have Netflix to watch but that is for my husband who is unable to go out and do the things he could do before his cancer/stroke/pulmonary emoboli issues. I found out that no TV gave us so much more time to do things like riding, walking, fixing more fence...LOL. But not everyone can do without a TV.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 11, 2019 12:50:05 GMT -5
I have a lot of time in retirement and more since I got rid of my car due to a messy knee which all started from a messy hip replacement....and then have months in rehabs and hospital with knee issue and doctors not getting to the root of my issue, and when they finally did and I got home my tv was disconnected, bills were not paid and I would NOT pay $300 or so to get reinstated... I enjoyed years of TV but no more.
I learn so much from NPR and keep it on all day....I would never learn what I learn from them on the tvs....
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 11, 2019 13:55:01 GMT -5
I have a lot of time in retirement and more since I got rid of my car due to a messy knee which all started from a messy hip replacement....and then have months in rehabs and hospital with knee issue and doctors not getting to the root of my issue, and when they finally did and I got home my tv was disconnected, bills were not paid and I would NOT pay $300 or so to get reinstated... I enjoyed years of TV but no more. I learn so much from NPR and keep it on all day....I would never learn what I learn from them on the tvs.... As long as we have internet we can get plenty of information.
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