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Post by tnthomas on Jul 11, 2019 16:04:31 GMT -5
I learn so much from NPR and keep it on all day.... I enjoy NPR, it's the only broadcast station that haven't been bought & paid for by corporate $$. That, plus my son volunteers there, helping with the sound engineer duties.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 17, 2019 17:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by nkat on Jul 17, 2019 19:47:49 GMT -5
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 18, 2019 8:33:38 GMT -5
So ... all that matters is our own self. Why did someone write that article then? Why didn't they just care about their own self? And why was the research done? Why didn't the researchers just care about their own self? Why does this health forum exist? So we can ignore all research and the experiences of everyone else? What are we supposed to write about here? And by the way, salt can raise blood pressure temporarily, but it is unlikely to cause chronic hypertension, except in certain individuals. Everyone else, most people, have no reason to avoid salt. That's another myth.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 18, 2019 11:55:33 GMT -5
Which is it? Salt or Sugars???? Have we been told a myth on this too for decades. I have done my share of sugars in my life and wonder what got me to HyperTension issues...I've backed off the sugars big time but still use salt and only sea salts. www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/sugar-not-salt-bigger-threat-blood-pressureTalk to your physicians if you have doubts about anything regarding your health.
I have been working on my own healing for so long, that I rarely ask an MD for advice, they don't know supplements anyway...and the myth issues, they, in my opinion, really don't care, their job is to sell drugs.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 18, 2019 12:30:04 GMT -5
Which is it? Salt or Sugars???? Have we been told a myth on this too for decades. I have done my share of sugars in my life and wonder what got me to HyperT...I've backed off the sugars big time but still use salt and only sea salts. www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/sugar-not-salt-bigger-threat-blood-pressureTalk to your physicians if you have doubts about anything regarding our health. And our physicians will know all about everything we need to know? They won't tell us to avoid salt, even though salt is not usually a cause of cardiovascular disease or hypertension? They won't tell us to avoid dietary fat or cholesterol, even though they are not an important cause of cardiovascular disease? Will our physicians tell us that refined carbohydrates ARE a major cause of cardiovascular disease? And will they warn us about the dangers of physical inactivity? Will our physicians try to convince us to take cholesterol-lowering drugs even if we have high HDL and low triglycerides, just because we are over age 65? Having too much faith in physicians is one reason the majority of Americans do almost everything wrong as far as health is concerned. Don't take my advice, I am not a medical doctor. Don't believe what I say, you can look it up for yourself. This is just my opinion, based on decades of reading and thinking about health, and my experiences and the experiences of people I know. I realize that ONLY medical experts should be allowed to have opinions on the subject of health.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 18, 2019 14:11:24 GMT -5
Can you imagine how bland some foods would be without salt?
In this hot, humid weather, when working outdoors & sweating, I'll drink so much water, I find I need something salty to retain some fluids.
I don't overdue it on salt on a daily basis though and I sure won't give it totally up when I need to season some foods. Moderation is the key, I think.
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Post by joymarty on Jul 18, 2019 14:28:21 GMT -5
Can you imagine how bland some foods would be without salt?
In this hot, humid weather, when working outdoors & sweating, I'll drink so much water, I find I need something salty to retain some fluids.
I don't overdue it on salt on a daily basis though and I sure won't give it totally up when I need to season some foods. Moderation is the key, I think.
No one is saying don't use salt and sugars, but my comments were about, do we know the real culprits? Has it been sugar for years and we've been told salt??? Then I will go to the info, that cancer cells love sugary environment. I've changed my sugar intake so much in the last couple decades...for many reasons the cancer cell info for a big one.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 18, 2019 14:45:32 GMT -5
Can you imagine how bland some foods would be without salt?
In this hot, humid weather, when working outdoors & sweating, I'll drink so much water, I find I need something salty to retain some fluids.
I don't overdue it on salt on a daily basis though and I sure won't give it totally up when I need to season some foods. Moderation is the key, I think.
No one is saying don't use salt and sugars, but my comments were about, do we know the real culprits? Has it been sugar for years and we've been told salt??? I'm not saying you or anyone else is "saying" don't use salt or sugar. I don't get where you got that from, from my post.
I've added my 2 cents to this conversation as to what I feel food would be like w/o salt.
It's like trying to sit down with you at a table and having a friendly talk. Geesh...But, if you want to control the whole conversation...you'll be talking to yourself soon.
To answer your question...I've never been told, salt was the culprit. Or sugar. Because, I don't have an issue with either one of them. I really like my physician...can talk to her about anything and she forces absolutely nothing on me.
Have a wonderful afternoon, joymarty!
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 18, 2019 15:17:34 GMT -5
Can you imagine how bland some foods would be without salt?
In this hot, humid weather, when working outdoors & sweating, I'll drink so much water, I find I need something salty to retain some fluids.
I don't overdue it on salt on a daily basis though and I sure won't give it totally up when I need to season some foods. Moderation is the key, I think.
No one is saying don't use salt and sugars, but my comments were about, do we know the real culprits? Has it been sugar for years and we've been told salt??? Then I will go to the info, that cancer cells love sugary environment. I've changed my sugar intake so much in the last couple decades...for many reasons the cancer cell info for a big one. Yes, the real culprit is refined sugar, and refined flour. NOT salt. Natural sea salt is ok, does not have additives. It's the artificial additives in salt that are bad. Many doctors are still recommending low salt diets.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 18, 2019 15:20:56 GMT -5
No one is saying don't use salt and sugars, but my comments were about, do we know the real culprits? Has it been sugar for years and we've been told salt??? I'm not saying you or anyone else is "saying" don't use salt or sugar. I don't get where you got that from, from my post.
I'm added my 2 cents to this conversation as to what I feel food would be like w/o salt.
It's like trying to sit down with you at a table and having a friendly talk. Geesh...But, if you want to control the whole conversation...you'll be talking to yourself soon.
To answer your question...I've never been told, salt was the culprit. Or sugar. Because, I don't have an issue with either one of them. I really like my physician...can talk to her about anything and she forces absolutely nothing on me.
Have a wonderful afternoon, joymarty! Drifter, maybe you already have a healthy lifestyle with no serious health problems. So your physician has an easy job with you. However, I have heard of so many stories that go differently. People close to me were drugged and drugged and never told the facts about how to have a healthy lifestyle. Even when MDs recommend exercise, it's not nearly enough. And their nutrition advice is usually wrong -- avoid salt, eggs, saturated fat. Nothing about avoiding refined sugar and flour.
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 18, 2019 17:00:28 GMT -5
And our physicians will know all about everything we need to know? They won't tell us to avoid salt, even though salt is not usually a cause of cardiovascular disease or hypertension? They won't tell us to avoid dietary fat or cholesterol, even though they are not an important cause of cardiovascular disease? Will our physicians tell us that refined carbohydrates ARE a major cause of cardiovascular disease? And will they warn us about the dangers of physical inactivity? Will our physicians try to convince us to take cholesterol-lowering drugs even if we have high HDL and low triglycerides, just because we are over age 65? Physicians know one thing: Human Nature, which in this case is that many patients will tune out lectures and nagging about health. Some people avoid doctor visits because they don't want to be told that they are overweight, or that the should quit smoking or reduce their alcohol consumption.
After my labs last year my Dr. sent me a letter advising me to take omega-3 supplements to curb my elevated triglycerides. I did, and it worked.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 18, 2019 17:21:35 GMT -5
I'm not saying you or anyone else is "saying" don't use salt or sugar. I don't get where you got that from, from my post.
I'm added my 2 cents to this conversation as to what I feel food would be like w/o salt.
It's like trying to sit down with you at a table and having a friendly talk. Geesh...But, if you want to control the whole conversation...you'll be talking to yourself soon.
To answer your question...I've never been told, salt was the culprit. Or sugar. Because, I don't have an issue with either one of them. I really like my physician...can talk to her about anything and she forces absolutely nothing on me.
Have a wonderful afternoon, joymarty! Drifter, maybe you already have a healthy lifestyle with no serious health problems. So your physician has an easy job with you. However, I have heard of so many stories that go differently. People close to me were drugged and drugged and never told the facts about how to have a healthy lifestyle. Even when MDs recommend exercise, it's not nearly enough. And their nutrition advice is usually wrong -- avoid salt, eggs, saturated fat. Nothing about avoiding refined sugar and flour. Were you in the exam room with these people that told you these stories? If not, perhaps going with them & being an advocate for them would be advantageous to them. Usually, a second party has different questions then the patient and understands a doctors instructions better.
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Post by good4nothin on Jul 18, 2019 17:46:11 GMT -5
Drifter, maybe you already have a healthy lifestyle with no serious health problems. So your physician has an easy job with you. However, I have heard of so many stories that go differently. People close to me were drugged and drugged and never told the facts about how to have a healthy lifestyle. Even when MDs recommend exercise, it's not nearly enough. And their nutrition advice is usually wrong -- avoid salt, eggs, saturated fat. Nothing about avoiding refined sugar and flour. Were you in the exam room with these people that told you these stories? If not, perhaps going with them & being an advocate for them would be advantageous to them. Usually, a second party has different questions then the patient and understands a doctors instructions better. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to go to their friend's and relative's doctor appointments. It was hard to find time to go to my own, when I was working. But I do not think they were lying about what their doctor's told them. I had one experience with an MD. I don't usually get checkups but I did get one a few years ago. My total cholesterol was high so she told me I need cholesterol-lowering drugs. I said what about the ratio? She said that doesn't matter, all that counts is the total. She said all her patients with high cholesterol who don't take the drugs die. She did not mention exercise or nutrition. She was very fat, so obviously didn't follow exercise or nutrition advice herself. I went home and looked carefully at my blood test results. HDL was very high and triglycerides were low. The ratio of HDL to LDL showed no risk of heart disease at all. I went to another MD after that, who was not fat, and he said I don't need any drugs. He didn't say anything about exercise or nutrition either. But I already exercise a lot and I already know about nutrition, so I didn't need him to tell me. I don't have a lot of personal experience with MDs. But I had a lot of experience with my mother, and I did go to some of her doctor appointments. They always tried to give her more drugs than necessary. She had become extremely weak and almost unable to walk, so I asked her GP if she could stop taking the statins, and he said sure. After that, she was able to walk normally again. But the nursing home kept putting her back on statins. It was a battle. She had dementia, but not Alzheimer's. They put her on a new drug that had showed a slight benefit for Alzheimer's, which she did not have. The MDs at the nursing home just loved drugs.
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Post by nkat on Jul 18, 2019 18:57:45 GMT -5
So ... all that matters is our own self. Why did someone write that article then? Why didn't they just care about their own self? And why was the research done? Why didn't the researchers just care about their own self? Why does this health forum exist? So we can ignore all research and the experiences of everyone else? What are we supposed to write about here? And by the way, salt can raise blood pressure temporarily, but it is unlikely to cause chronic hypertension, except in certain individuals. Everyone else, most people, have no reason to avoid salt. That's another myth. Why does anyone write articles? They get paid for it. What good is the article if no one reads it? Nkat My drs do not say to avoid salt, everything in moderation.
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