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Post by The Inspector on Sept 6, 2018 23:04:17 GMT -5
Like tramp he avoids your point and attacks your you or your people.
That why he is seen as the bad guy. It's a tactic not very good for making friends.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 9:41:37 GMT -5
'Tis you Sir, who shows distainful scorn for the opinions of others, not I.
I don't ask for much.
Universal single payer healthcare for the US, just like all of the rest of the first world countries have.
But apparently that's too much for this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 9:42:46 GMT -5
That why he is seen as the bad guy. It's a tactic not very good for making friends.
If I want a friend I'll get a dog.
Except that I don't like dogs.
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Post by Warrigal on Sept 7, 2018 10:48:14 GMT -5
'Tis you Sir, who shows distainful scorn for the opinions of others, not I.
I don't ask for much.
Universal single payer healthcare for the US, just like all of the rest of the first world countries have.
But apparently that's too much for this forum. Don't take it personally.
Universal single payer healthcare is not the only model for affordable health care. When I was growing up my family paid two health care premiums - medical and hospital. The hospital insurance allowed us the choice of public, intermediate or private hospital treatment. Most people who worked had some kind of insurance, paid for by the individual, not the employer.
Today we have Medicare, which is the single payer federal healthcare system that ensures that everyone can have subsidised hospital and medical care, but its introduction faced enormous opposition from the medical fraternity who feared that the state would interfere in the doctor/patient relationship and result in patients having no choice of medical practitioner. The usual scare campaigns were thrown at the idea of universal health care that did not involve the concept of charity.
To arrive where we are now was a journey of many steps, some larger than others. We have a complex payment system that involves a means tested levy on income, calculated on annual tax returns, some co-payments and some totally 'free' services. It is not as clean as the British system because it evolved in a federal system where states had responsibility for public hospitals and other services were provided and funded nationally.
I don't know much about the mechanics of the Affordable Care Act but I suspect that it was intended to be a first step, not the final destination. Single payer healthcare in the US is unlikely to arrive fully formed like Venus arising from the waters. It will take decades to develop. It will take less time if people stop labelling it 'socialist'. Find another, less inflammatory term for this public good, and think creatively about how it can be funded at a time when an aging population is straining the federal budget and will do so until the baby boomers are gone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 11:10:17 GMT -5
I don't ask for much.
Universal single payer healthcare for the US, just like all of the rest of the first world countries have.
But apparently that's too much for this forum. Don't take it personally.
Universal single payer healthcare is not the only model for affordable health care. When I was growing up my family paid two health care premiums - medical and hospital. The hospital insurance allowed us the choice of public, intermediate or private hospital treatment. Most people who worked had some kind of insurance, paid for by the individual, not the employer.
Today we have Medicare, which is the single payer federal healthcare system that ensures that everyone can have subsidised hospital and medical care, but its introduction faced enormous opposition from the medical fraternity who feared that the state would interfere in the doctor/patient relationship and result in patients having no choice of medical practitioner. The usual scare campaigns were thrown at the idea of universal health care that did not involve the concept of charity.
To arrive where we are now was a journey of many steps, some larger than others. We have a complex payment system that involves a means tested levy on income, calculated on annual tax returns, some co-payments and some totally 'free' services. It is not as clean as the British system because it evolved in a federal system where states had responsibility for public hospitals and other services were provided and funded nationally.
I don't know much about the mechanics of the Affordable Care Act but I suspect that it was intended to be a first step, not the final destination. Single payer healthcare in the US is unlikely to arrive fully formed like Venus arising from the waters. It will take decades to develop. It will take less time if people stop labelling it 'socialist'. Find another, less inflammatory term for this public good, and think creatively about how it can be funded at a time when an aging population is straining the federal budget and will do so until the baby boomers are gone.
In order to achieve something slowly and incrementally you have to start from a position of demanding it all right now. If you start off settling for baby steps it will never happen. That's negotiation 101.
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Post by Warrigal on Sept 7, 2018 11:31:48 GMT -5
A journey of s thousand miles begins with a single step. Lao Tzu or Chairman Mao, take your pick.
It also helps if the old system finally collapses under its own weight. Then a new system can be assembled from scratch.
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Post by tnthomas on Sept 7, 2018 11:50:44 GMT -5
Universal single payer healthcare for the US, just like all of the rest of the first world countries have.
But apparently that's too much for this forum. I'm not sure where that's coming from, as [let's face it] the majority of posters here are middle of the road, to somewhat left of center politically.
I have not seen any opposition posted on this forum to single-payer healthcare, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Your former playmate & nemesis Quick Silver had very similar political views to your own, except for the "Bernie Bro" thing.
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Post by highlandannie on Sept 9, 2018 14:58:24 GMT -5
Universal single payer healthcare for the US, just like all of the rest of the first world countries have.
But apparently that's too much for this forum. I'm not sure where that's coming from, as [let's face it] the majority of posters here are middle of the road, to somewhat left of center politically.
I have not seen any opposition posted on this forum to single-payer healthcare, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Your former playmate & nemesis Quick Silver had very similar political views to your own, except for the "Bernie Bro" thing.
You certainly won't get any opposition to it from me! I have it and I love it. Healthcare costs are never something we have to think about, ever. We pay for our own glasses and a small co-pay at the dentist. Nothing else, not even ambulances.
QS is middle of the road. I'm left.
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Sept 9, 2018 15:13:45 GMT -5
I am Left of most of the left people.... but I don't shove down throat like some.... I think most people in country have been poisoned by Foolish Donkey and he make it almost crime to be of liberal bent.... the sooner we get rid of this diseased mind the better for the entire country... Liberals Middle and the Right....
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Post by keith on Sept 9, 2018 22:16:30 GMT -5
We have Putin's GRU for a comparison. They are his personal assassins and coordinate actions for him with the American Russian mob which is a GRU subsidiary headquartered in Trump Tower. With such a glaring example of fascist intelligence to reflect on...I'll stick with the CIA and MI 6. You know, traditional allies who share our love for Democracy...and distaste for fascists like Trump and Putin.
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