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Sept 25, 2017 18:15:40 GMT -5
Post by Bob on Sept 25, 2017 18:15:40 GMT -5
Maybe it's still early, but the number of new posts over at SF seems to have dropped markedly in the past day. Will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.
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Sept 25, 2017 18:40:27 GMT -5
Post by 2old on Sept 25, 2017 18:40:27 GMT -5
IMO a much larger problem is being swept under the carpet, namely the very serious divisions that exist in America. All is not rosey in the land of the free and it won't go away by pretending that is all well. However, as a foreigner I should probably keep my opinions to myself more. Warrigal, I respect everyone's opinion. You and I had some excellent discussions over "there". I did get frustrated at two different posters from other countries who tried to force feed their ideas of how our Country should be run on us. You were never disrespectful of us. Everything I remember about your input was welcomed. I hated to see the political discussion over "there" shut down. It was one where it seemed folks could discuss, argue, and bicker from all sides of an issue. Sure, some expressed their opinions stronger than others. But, that's life. Sent a PM to Matrix telling him I understood his concerns, but feared the entire board would lose interest since many of us seniors have deep interest in and concerns for the current political spectrum. IMHO, the decision to shut it down was made before the poll was even put up. Matrix wanted the conservative slant to define "his" board. That is his choice. It is extremely difficult to find a senior citizen discussion board that has good back and forth on current politics. SOF does not tolerate anything other than hard right. AAACC. likewise. There are some strictly political boards out there that lean left or have a back and forth. I like the mix of politics, current events, humor, health, etc. It's sorta like going to WalMart... One-stop shopping!!! :>) |
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Sept 25, 2017 18:51:59 GMT -5
Post by QuickSilver on Sept 25, 2017 18:51:59 GMT -5
IMO a much larger problem is being swept under the carpet, namely the very serious divisions that exist in America. All is not rosey in the land of the free and it won't go away by pretending that is all well. However, as a foreigner I should probably keep my opinions to myself more. Warrigal, I respect everyone's opinion. You and I had some excellent discussions over "there". I did get frustrated at two different posters from other countries who tried to force feed their ideas of how our Country should be run on us. You were never disrespectful of us. Everything I remember about your input was welcomed. I hated to see the political discussion over "there" shut down. It was one where it seemed folks could discuss, argue, and bicker from all sides of an issue. Sure, some expressed their opinions stronger than others. But, that's life. Sent a PM to Matrix telling him I understood his concerns, but feared the entire board would lose interest since many of us seniors have deep interest in and concerns for the current political spectrum. IMHO, the decision to shut it down was made before the poll was even put up. Matrix wanted the conservative slant to define "his" board. That is his choice. It is extremely difficult to find a senior citizen discussion board that has good back and forth on current politics. SOF does not tolerate anything other than hard right. AAACC. likewise. There are some strictly political boards out there that lean left or have a back and forth. I like the mix of politics, current events, humor, health, etc. It's sorta like going to WalMart... One-stop shopping!!! :>) I completely agree with you... I also believe the decision to shut down the politics forum was made LONG before the poll taken or the comments made. I enjoy a lively back and forth also... It's my hope for THIS site that we can ALL express our views whether Liberal of Conservative in a lively manner while avoiding personal attacks and undo nastiness.. However, Issues and public figures are fair game IMO... How can you debate politics without discussion pros and cons of specific issues or politicians? That's where SF dropped the ball... everything was seen as being nasty or a personal attack.. That simply wasn't true.. Hoping we can do better than that here. |
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Post by Bob on Sept 25, 2017 18:58:32 GMT -5
Few things bugged me more than references to "snowflakes" and "libtards" that popped up far too often in political discussions. Oh, and the "far, far left".
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Post by QuickSilver on Sept 25, 2017 19:02:13 GMT -5
Few things bugged me more than references to "snowflakes" and "libtards" that popped up far too often in political discussions. Oh, and the "far, far left". Yes.... that honked me off too... BUT I imagine references to "Far Right Whackos" And "Knuckle Dragging Mouth Breathers" made by a few were not helpful either.. It's my hope we can all do better here... |
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Sept 25, 2017 20:42:38 GMT -5
Post by QuickSilver on Sept 25, 2017 20:42:38 GMT -5
For what it's worth I thought SF leaned to the left and allowed way too much name calling from that side instead of discussing ideas. And I see Lara's name being bantered about in a lot of posts, which to me is proof positive that she kicked your a$$. Does anyone know if she's single? Peace and love! Hoot And the left leaning posters felt that Matrix unfairly catered to the Right... particularly lara... Funny how such a different take on things depending on what side of the fence you were on.. Never saw Lara as kicking a$$ though... Saw her dialing up Matrix anytime she felt threatened... So actually the a$$ kicking was done by Matrix.. But.. we can rest assured that the moderation will be done FAIRLY on this site.. No one will have special privilege at the expense of other posters. |
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Sept 25, 2017 20:56:02 GMT -5
Post by sundown on Sept 25, 2017 20:56:02 GMT -5
I think that both sides felt like Matrix catered to the the opposite side, so maybe he was trying to just keep the in-fighting down. I don’t think that he wanted to shut that part of the forum down; but he had tried banning people, and obviously, that didn’t work either.
I am not a trouble-maker, and didn’t even get in any of the political arguments, and I was banned; so it was not just liberals that were being banned unfairly.
I am hoping that if the political debates moves into the Speakers Corner group, that people will stop taking pot shots at each other, and start discussing issues instead. If that, or something similar, can happen, then I think that he will bring back the political part of the forum; because it has probably always been the most active part of the forum, along with current events, which are also often political .
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Sept 25, 2017 21:01:53 GMT -5
Post by QuickSilver on Sept 25, 2017 21:01:53 GMT -5
I think that both sides felt like Matrix catered to the the opposite side, so maybe he was trying to just keep the in-fighting down. I don’t think that he wanted to shut that part of the forum down; but he had tried banning people, and obviously, that didn’t work either. I am not a trouble-maker, and didn’t even get in any of the political arguments, and I was banned; so it was not just liberals that were being banned unfairly. I am hoping that if the political debates moves into the Speakers Corner group, that people will stop taking pot shots at each other, and start discussing issues instead. If that, or something similar, can happen, then I think that he will bring back the political part of the forum; because it has probably always been the most active part of the forum, along with current events, which are also often political . I think it will be very hard for him to keep any reference to politics off his site... like you said.. most current events have some sort of political slant.. I just wonder how a 50/50 tie in the poll tipped the scale to banning.. I guess Matrix wanted to do it all along.. .. I also think that what some saw as fighting was really just back and forth debating. Some just debate harder and more aggressively than others.. The people with the softer debating style were intimidated. |
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Post by tnthomas on Sept 25, 2017 23:53:19 GMT -5
For what it's worth I thought SF leaned to the left and allowed way too much name calling from that side instead of discussing ideas. And I see Lara's name being bantered about in a lot of posts, which to me is proof positive that she kicked your a$$. Does anyone know if she's single? Peace and love! Hoot Well, we sure seem to have much differing perspectives. In my view SF forum's political section was clearly a 'protected' arena for advancing right wing influences. I have no doubt of Matrix's leanings, he may not be ultra-right like the frequent Political forum posters, but he clearly had their back. The name calling came overwhelmingly from the right-wingers, I know, have been the recipient on numerous occasions. Lara would do cut n' paste threads making sensational, unfounded assertions from highly questionable sources, then get shrill when called into question. As mentioned, she had Matrix on speed-call to complain when she her preposterous assertions were being shot full of holes. |
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Post by highlandannie on Sept 26, 2017 2:31:44 GMT -5
IMO a much larger problem is being swept under the carpet, namely the very serious divisions that exist in America. All is not rosey in the land of the free and it won't go away by pretending that is all well. However, as a foreigner I should probably keep my opinions to myself more. Your opinions are always valued. So please keep sharing. |
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Sept 26, 2017 2:36:23 GMT -5
Post by highlandannie on Sept 26, 2017 2:36:23 GMT -5
For what it's worth I thought SF leaned to the left and allowed way too much name calling from that side instead of discussing ideas. And I see Lara's name being bantered about in a lot of posts, which to me is proof positive that she kicked your a$$. Does anyone know if she's single? Peace and love! Hoot I disagree. Those on the right never got banned for personal insults. However, being on the left I got banned from politics twice for personal insults in response to those said to me. Matrix is definitely right wing. |
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Sept 26, 2017 5:52:33 GMT -5
Post by 2old on Sept 26, 2017 5:52:33 GMT -5
For what it's worth I thought SF leaned to the left and allowed way too much name calling from that side instead of discussing ideas. And I see Lara's name being bantered about in a lot of posts, which to me is proof positive that she kicked your a$$. Does anyone know if she's single? Peace and love! Hoot I disagree. Those on the right never got banned for personal insults. However, being on the left I got banned from politics twice for personal insults in response to those said to me. Matrix is definitely right wing. I tried extremely hard to walk that fine line between expressing my opinion and getting banned. Rec'd two warnings from Matrix. One was that I had used the word "Trumpeteers" in a post. I am certain Lara was the one who complained about that one. Now, if that word is offensive enough to be banned over isn't it pretty obvious what direction the moderator leaned? |
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Post by QuickSilver on Sept 26, 2017 6:42:42 GMT -5
I tried extremely hard to walk that fine line between expressing my opinion and getting banned. Rec'd two warnings from Matrix. One was that I had used the word "Trumpeteers" in a post. I am certain Lara was the one who complained about that one. Now, if that word is offensive enough to be banned over isn't it pretty obvious what direction the moderator leaned? Thank you for providing an example of what I saw every day - I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that you did not use the word "Trumpeteers" as a compliment. And you got your hand smacked for it. {Shrug} Regardless of the specific word, what does juvenile name calling add to the debate? Hoot.... step back and look at this... Do you thing the word SNOWFLAKE and Libtard were used as compliments? These terms were used over and over at SF... Complaints to Matrix did not result in the banning of anyone.. I'll relate a personal story... I was receiving nasty PMs from an individual.. I asked this person to stop..and told them I would report them to the Admin. This person did NOT stop... so when I reported this person... Matrix didn't do a thing.. In fact blamed ME and my opinions for it.. and said "What do you want me to do about it?" And of course.... Matrix did nothing. This was NOT fair moderating... It was and still is my hope that this site will be different and we will ALL have the same rules and they will be applied equally to everyone.. I invited many of the Conservatives I have locked horns with to come here and continue our debates... We are NOT going to agree...and it may get spirited... but it has GOT to be fair. |
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Sept 26, 2017 7:02:42 GMT -5
Post by robusta on Sept 26, 2017 7:02:42 GMT -5
I was accused of "attacking a poster". Bobf made one of his silly assertions and I called him on it by name. Well of course I did, he was the one that made the statement. What was I supposed to do, make a "you people" response?
Marix said I was attacking a respected poster and I got the boot for the 3rd time.
Also Matrix cannot abide the appellation "Cult 45". I used it a couple of times and he went ballistic.
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Sept 26, 2017 7:04:42 GMT -5
Post by QuickSilver on Sept 26, 2017 7:04:42 GMT -5
BB - I'm curious. How do you know what actions are taken against other posters on a forum? If someone was banned, how would you know that? If I was chastised and warned by a mod, would you have been notified? Seriously, how would you know? I know I received a few unkind PMs but I never bothered to report them - but I agree that if you did report them, some action should have been taken. Peace and Love Hoot BobF... case in point... called people names CONSTANTLY.... never banned.. never stopped or toned it down... I have to believe he wasn't even warned. But you are correct... We have no way of knowing actions taken.. BUT.. there was a MASS banning of liberal posters leaving mostly Conservatives.. I believe Matrix lifted that mass banning because of a slow down of his board.. Time will tell if he will re-instate the political forum.. |
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