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Post by The Inspector on Apr 5, 2021 13:19:19 GMT -5
Jesus did not think a person’s soul would live on after death, either to experience bliss in the presence of God above or to be tormented in the fires of hell below. As a Jew of the 1st century, Jesus did not think the soul went anywhere after death. It simply ceased to exist with the body.
Most Christians today view the soul as an immaterial essence inside the physical frame of the body; once the body dies, the soul lives on, intact, forever. That is the view handed down to us not from the Bible but from ancient Greek thinking known best from the writings of Plato.
I believe the concept of heaven, and hell is a very bad, were needed to work on what we have here and now, not do nothing, against the so-called rules, and get to heaven.
People say glade there is a heaven, because what got is not very good, and do nothing to help things get better.
Isaiah 1:17 17 Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed.Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.
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Post by nkat on Apr 5, 2021 13:56:44 GMT -5
If Jesus did not believe that the soul goes on, why did he die on the cross for us to forgive our sins?
Nkat
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Post by The Inspector on Apr 5, 2021 16:19:17 GMT -5
If Jesus did not believe that the soul goes on, why did he die on the cross for us to forgive our sins? Nkat I believe that story was added after he was long gone.
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Post by nkat on Apr 5, 2021 17:32:24 GMT -5
If Jesus did not believe that the soul goes on, why did he die on the cross for us to forgive our sins? Nkat I believe that story was added after he was long gone. Okey! nkat
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Post by The Inspector on Apr 8, 2021 15:21:28 GMT -5
When was the story of Jesus written? According to the Marcan priority, the first to be written was the Gospel of Mark (written AD 60–75), followed by the Gospel of Matthew (AD 65–85), the Gospel of Luke (AD 65–95), and the Gospel of John (AD 75–100).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
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Post by The Inspector on Apr 18, 2021 12:37:51 GMT -5
The story of Jesus is more like a biography, John and the earlier writers do not even agree on how Jesus talked to the people. Not to say what he said, how can Christian follow the teachings of Jesus, when so little is known as to what he said.
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Post by Sunkist on Jun 20, 2021 12:56:20 GMT -5
The story of Jesus is more like a biography, John and the earlier writers do not even agree on how Jesus talked to the people. Not to say what he said, how can Christian follow the teachings of Jesus, when so little is known as to what he said. Not meaning to go off-topic, but what I'd like to know is how fundamentalists came up with the idea that Jesus Christ was actually God-the-creator-- you know, like "in the beginning...etc."-- especially when some of the most well-known writings in the New Testament directly contradict this belief. Example: what Jesus presumably said to God when he was being crucified. Example: the accounts of his birth. If he already existed, the accounts with Joseph, Mary, etc., could not have happened. Unless-- (attempting a bit of humor here)-- that's what they consider a "born-again Christian."
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Post by nkat on Jun 21, 2021 11:37:39 GMT -5
I was taught the God part of the Trinity wanted to wipe out the human race considering it was a total failure and close the gates of heaven to us. The Jesus part came to Earth to sacrifice himself to reopen the gates of heaven to us mortals.
NKat
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Post by birdgal on Jul 10, 2021 11:36:34 GMT -5
So there is an all powerful god who created the whole universe, all the planets, all life forms on earth and yet he created sinful and evil humans?
Why would an all powerful god create such a being and give them a free will no less?
Oh, that's right. How could I forget? It's a mystery. Good one. Lol.
Religion, imho, is about power and control more than peace and love. But, what do I know?
Why and how could the torture and death of one man, a man who happened to be God's beloved son (aren't we all His children?) possibly give humankind a clean plate? It doesn't make sense. I guess that's also a mystery.
I am growing very fond of the mystery thing. If a cop stops me because I didn't stop for a stop sign and she asks why I didn't stop I think I'd tell her its a mystery. Lol.
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Post by The Inspector on Jul 10, 2021 16:13:11 GMT -5
I was watch a show and some religion thought if you were poor, there was something wrong with you, only the well off were godly. I will try to get the name of the documentary for another thread.
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Post by Sunkist on Jul 11, 2021 13:08:40 GMT -5
So there is an all powerful god who created the whole universe, all the planets, all life forms on earth and yet he created sinful and evil humans? Why would an all powerful god create such a being and give them a free will no less? Oh, that's right. How could I forget? It's a mystery. Good one. Lol. Religion, imho, is about power and control more than peace and love. But, what do I know? Why and how could the torture and death of one man, a man who happened to be God's beloved son (aren't we all His children?) possibly give humankind a clean plate? It doesn't make sense. I guess that's also a mystery. I am growing very fond of the mystery thing. If a cop stops me because I didn't stop for a stop sign and she asks why I didn't stop I think I'd tell her its a mystery. Lol. Fundamentalists, and even real Christians (of various denominations) would look at it differently, but I believe the approach that God made humans with free will AND a conscience, because both are required for someone to be fully human. And unfortunately, too many embrace only the free will part while ignoring the conscience part.
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Post by Sunkist on Jul 11, 2021 13:14:41 GMT -5
I was watch a show and some religion thought if you were poor, there was something wrong with you, only the well off were godly. I will try to get the name of the documentary for another thread. I don't know the documentary you're referring to, but I read about that belief in a book written by a young woman who'd managed to put her life in a fundamentalist cult behind her.. she said when she was a child, she asked her mother why they couldn't give food to beggars who came to their door, and that her mother had replied they were poor because 'God wants' them to be poor. On a side note: (I can't recall if it was a cult in Kansas or Wisconsin- two different books- but one interesting point I learned is screwball cults can use the name of any actual religion as long as they do something the religion agrees with, such as 'Believers Baptism' or somesuch.. while conveniently ignoring everything else the mainstream religion teaches.)
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Post by birdgal on Jul 14, 2021 12:22:09 GMT -5
Imagine no religion? It's easy if you try. I can't help but wonder what kind of life John Lennon would have had if the nut job who murdered him stayed in bed that day. I hope he is now staying in prison or a mental.hospital, or a grave.
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Post by Sunkist on Jul 14, 2021 12:32:04 GMT -5
Imagine no religion? It's easy if you try. I can't help but wonder what kind of life John Lennon would have had if the nut job who murdered him stayed in bed that day. I hope she is now staying in prison or a mental.hospital forever. Well, he has been denied parole 11 times so far.
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Post by birdgal on Jul 15, 2021 12:41:12 GMT -5
That's good news. Thanks for sharing that. The only bad part is that he's still alive and we are paying for his room, board, and medical.
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