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Post by Drifter on Jun 29, 2019 9:16:27 GMT -5
....am I the only one not impressed by Harris' aggressive move against Biden? I thought it was out of line and that she went too far....Oh well, when Biden is 20 points ahead, I guess she was reaching. Don't pick on ole Joe, he's one of my favorites.... Eventually, someone will bring her own record to the forefront... www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jun 29, 2019 10:19:23 GMT -5
I think ALL will begin to criticize each other to try and climb to top No one can play nice forever! They will need to if they hope to gain attention No one say political maneuvering would be nice! It all part of process some win some lose after all 20 people not can be on ballot in Nov 2020!!!
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Post by formerlyme on Jun 29, 2019 12:09:28 GMT -5
....am I the only one not impressed by Harris' aggressive move against Biden? I thought it was out of line and that she went too far....Oh well, when Biden is 20 points ahead, I guess she was reaching. Don't pick on ole Joe, he's one of my favorites.... Yes, she was assertive toward Biden, but for me it just proves that she could easily stand up to Trump...A Good Thing!
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Post by The Inspector on Jun 29, 2019 12:13:38 GMT -5
....am I the only one not impressed by Harris' aggressive move against Biden? I thought it was out of line and that she went too far....Oh well, when Biden is 20 points ahead, I guess she was reaching. Don't pick on ole Joe, he's one of my favorites.... It looked like it was a planned ambush on Biden's by the left. It was an unanswerable question in the time given. Biden should have dodged the question. By keep answering " My recorded shows I have been total committed to equal rights" and she pushed say " the debate time does not permit answers to complex questions" The left is trying to attack Biden black voter support. The media gave it a big buzz. but I am keep an eye on the polls to see if it hurt Biden. My guess what be it hurt Harris and Biden and help Bernie and Warren. Make them look more presidential.
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Post by birdgal on Jun 29, 2019 12:39:15 GMT -5
There is a BIG difference between those talking about and supporting children who were being harassed, pushed around, used, and afraid as opposed to actually being one of those youngsters.
I think the discussion might have struck a nerve with Harris in very personal way and she simply could not let it go. Unpleasant memories can rise to the surface when someone who did not personally experience that fear,casually mentions those scary times. We might relive it in an instant.
I'm sorry it happened. I like both of them very much and I hope they can fix this.
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Post by formerlyme on Jun 29, 2019 12:59:10 GMT -5
Biden was unprepared for that blindside and it put him in an untenable position, given time constraints. The next day he clarified his stance on the 'bus' issue, and outlined his honourable history of defending civil rights. I like him a lot, but he is a gentleman, which in some instances could work against him. He's more diplomat than street fighter. Harris is the kind of smart and strategic 'tough cookie' we need when contending with a psycho like Trump.
Most candidates have things in their political and/or personal histories that could be spun to discredit them. Politics is a 'blood sport' and candidates had best be prepared for it to be aimed at themselves.
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Post by dragonlady on Jun 29, 2019 13:44:34 GMT -5
....am I the only one not impressed by Harris' aggressive move against Biden? I thought it was out of line and that she went too far....Oh well, when Biden is 20 points ahead, I guess she was reaching. Don't pick on ole Joe, he's one of my favorites.... I completely agree with you.This is a trumpian tactic (and apparently planned ahead)
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Post by The Inspector on Jun 29, 2019 14:17:55 GMT -5
In a one on one race, attacks can work, but when you are one of 20+ it can backfire.
It put you in the mud fight and the others look above the fray.
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Post by The Inspector on Jun 29, 2019 14:52:21 GMT -5
There seem to be a lot of misleading news after the debates. This just is not good.
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Post by The Inspector on Jun 29, 2019 20:44:22 GMT -5
Now that Harris is a star, she’s finding out how difficult it is to negotiate the spotlight. On Thursday, Harris and Sanders were the only candidates to raise their hands after being asked if they would outlaw private health insurance in favor of a government single-payer plan.
Hours later, she was changing her tune and said she misunderstood the question, which all the candidates knew was coming and which had been posed in Wednesday’s first debate.Let’s be fair: it’s indeed possible to misunderstand in this situation, when only a show of hands about a complicated topic is requested. But did Harris misunderstand the question or miscalculate the potential response to a stance polls find too extreme? The way Harris tossed her comment out there, and the way the national media overlooked it in favor of the little-girl “gotcha” moment, leaves us hanging on Harris. It also leaves us wondering if the national media learned anything from its clumsy performance in 2016. www.masslive.com/opinion/2019/06/when-kamala-harris-praises-common-ground-does-she-mean-it-viewpoint.html
"she misunderstood the question" this sound like trump trying to cover for one of his lies.
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Post by birdgal on Jun 29, 2019 21:34:16 GMT -5
Comparing her to Trump is a bit of a stretch. Call me naive but I don't think this was a planned attack on Biden. But what do I know? I was convinced Hillary would be the president and this bottom feeder would fade away.
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Post by The Inspector on Jun 30, 2019 0:49:11 GMT -5
Yep: I was just a little upset. I though Bill Clinton was a sleazeball.But people bought his charisma.
I am sure she planned to use the bussing thing as she was bussed herself.
I see her as a sleazeball. Time will tell if people buy what she is selling
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Post by notmydad on Jun 30, 2019 2:03:19 GMT -5
I thought Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris were the big winners of the two nights. Warren was the best prepared of all candidates. I don't believe she stumbled at all. Harris is like a bulldog. I don't think she blind-sided Biden. She called him out when she felt he was not accurate in his claims. That's exactly the way we need to go after trump. Our candidate should give him no quarter and not be baited into playing his game. I'm not sure Warren can stay out of the back and forth bickering, which is trump's strong suit, but she will be strong on facts. Harris won't take the bait and will go after him hard. If she's the nominee, I hope she prepares as well as Warren would.
Williamson, deBlasio, Ryan, Hickenlooper, Yang, Delaney, Gabbard, Inslee, Bennet, Swalwell, and the four candidates who did not make the debates should step aside now. I don't believe Booker, Castro, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, or Gillibrand can win the nomination either.
I guess you could say this is my tournament bracket. My Final Four will be Warren, Sanders, Harris, and Biden. Even in the face of defeat, Sanders will be as hard to get rid of as a cockroach. IMHO, the only candidate who has a chance at holding on to his supporters is Elizabeth Warren. They will stay home or vote third party, maybe even vote for trump out of spite if Warren can't woo them into her camp. I doubt any of the others can do it. I know most of Bernie's voters are good people, but enough of them were so butt-hurt in 2016, it cost Clinton the WH. They are an important voting bloc and we have to play to Bernie's base if he doesn't get the nomination. Elizabeth Warren is close enough to Bernie in ideology, she should be able to pick them up.
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Post by notbob on Jun 30, 2019 2:15:27 GMT -5
....am I the only one not impressed by Harris' aggressive move against Biden? I thought it was out of line and that she went too far....Oh well, when Biden is 20 points ahead, I guess she was reaching. Don't pick on ole Joe, he's one of my favorites.... I'm sorry Kady. I really don't have anything against Joe but I think Trump would chew him up and spit him out in a debate. Harris' aggressive move against him was because he's 20 points ahead. He's the front runner so he's the biggest threat and the primary target on stage. I didn't think she went too far. She called him out for one of his votes - a vote that could have negatively affected her when she was growing up. She showed her fearlessness when she attacked and in how she attacked. He did a horrible job of defending himself even to the point of recognizing his time was up all on his own right in mid speech. Besides, shouldn't busing be an equal opportunity for all American kids regardless of which state they live in? He voted against a national busing law because he wanted to leave it up to the states. We know how that works. Some states will and some won't and because of that, some kids will have that opportunity and some kids won't. I thought Harris and Warren demonstrated the most passion. I was skeptical about what Biden said and how he said it. Again...that makes me think he's too old.
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Post by formerlyme on Jun 30, 2019 4:51:11 GMT -5
The question that Bernie and Kamala put their hands up to was this:
"Would you give up your private health care plan in favour of a universal health care program."
(I've paraphrased slightly, but that was the gist of the question.)
To my mind, it was a trick question, and even the pundits got confused about its intent. At best, it could have been seen as ambiguous by those less alert to the fact that every word counts. Kamala didn't misunderstand, and it was unfair for her to be put on the defensive about it.
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