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Post by birdgal on Aug 18, 2018 14:15:10 GMT -5
There are deeply religious adult men, to this day, who use boys for their perversions to have young boys as servants, no one talks about it and these men consider themselves heterosexual. There is a HUGE difference between being religious and being spiritual. It's been said that religion is what you follow, spiritual is what you are. Religion is about rituals, spiritually is about inner experiences. I was brought up Catholic. In my twenties I became a born again Christian. I've checked out a few other religions and found out they all have one thing in common. They're all the one TRUE belief system and the others are all FRAUDS. Now, in my 70's I'm an Atheist. And yet, I've been told I can be spiritual at times. Obviously spiritually doesn't have anything to do with religion. lol.
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Post by rosa427 on Aug 18, 2018 14:48:01 GMT -5
You have my sympathy, Rosa, and I cannot claim to understand your experiences and feelings. My only immediate advice, offered sincerely, is to switch off now and take some time to soothe yourself. If it isn't too cold outside, spend some time marveling at the sky. It always works for me. If this subject wounds you at a deep level,I suggest you close yourself off from the discussion altogether. . (((Rosa427))) I agree with Warrigal you could use a break from this nasty stuff. Excellent advise Warrigal! Being outside surrounded by Mother Nature's beauties and babies restores my soul and my sanity. Sometimes I wish we all lived closer so we could meet for a cup of coffee, tea, or something stronger. lol. Thank you both, I really did need to step away from this thread more than anything and I'm not going to comment on the subject again, just too close to home. Hugs to you both thanks so much for the comforting words I really needed them.
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Post by birdgal on Aug 18, 2018 14:54:02 GMT -5
You are very welcome, Rosa427. Hugs right back at you!
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Post by Warrigal on Aug 18, 2018 17:22:48 GMT -5
Good for you, Rosa. Seek inner peace because without it everything seems grey and black. With it, we can begin to change the palette to the colours of Spring.
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Post by TheSource on Aug 24, 2018 21:33:07 GMT -5
Just my opinion on this whole disgusting “thing” (for lack of a better word).....
Priests do not become pedophiles, pedophiles become priests.
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Post by birdgal on Aug 24, 2018 22:18:06 GMT -5
Hey! I know this is a radical idea but other religions are aware that women are spiritual beings, teachers, and givers of Life.
When Jesus rose from the dead he sought out women to spread the news!
The Catholic church has been an all boys club for too long. Being a priest holds a lot more clout than being a nun.
How do we stop predator male priest? Add a few women priest! Come on its the 21st Century already.
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Post by keith on Aug 28, 2018 22:39:00 GMT -5
Hey! I know this is a radical idea but other religions are aware that women are spiritual beings, teachers, and givers of Life. When Jesus rose from the dead he sought out women to spread the news! The Catholic church has been an all boys club for too long. Being a priest holds a lot more clout than being a nun. How do we stop predator male priest? Add a few women priest! Come on its the 21st Century already. Add a whole lot of female priests...and eliminate the requirement for celibacy. Go one step further...hire priest couples to educate and inspire a jaded population. Men (and women) were never intended to live alone and horny. Besides, how can you respect marital/sexual advice from people who have no clue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 8:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by nkat on Aug 29, 2018 9:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 9:36:44 GMT -5
The Catholic Church will NOT be free of this evil until it opens up and lets the police in
to do their job and stops thinking they can police themselves. The Catholic Church needs to get rid of it's ridiculous requirement of celibacy for their clergy. That's the 16000 lbs Elephant in this room that nobody seems to be talking about. Will that solve the problem? No, but it sure will cut back on the percentage of perverts that they are attracting to the priesthood. I mean seriously, what kind of dude is going to take a vow of celibacy? One that's sick in the head that's what.
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Post by birdgal on Aug 29, 2018 14:29:08 GMT -5
The religion is not flawed, the people running the Church are. But, what is 'the religion' if not the people running it? Jesus told his disciples to "go into the world and preach the gospel." He told his followers they would do greater things than he did. He told the people, his church, to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, suffer the little children to come unto him. He didn't tell them to sit around surrounded by gold and silver or drive around in a bullet proof funny little vehicle. He didn't tell them to build a castle on a hill and fill it with armed guards. Imagine no religion. John Lennon was right. I really is easy if you try.
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Post by tnthomas on Aug 29, 2018 14:42:49 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that at one time Catholic priests could have a wife & kids, but that the church initiated the celibacy requirement, so as to prevent claims against church property from heirs of priests that had passed on.
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Post by Warrigal on Aug 29, 2018 20:42:15 GMT -5
There are some married priests within the catholic church. Ukrainian catholic priests may marry and are encouraged to do so. Also, married men who were ordained in the Anglican church may convert to the Roman Catholic faith and still be recognised as priests. No need to renounce their marriage vows.
Mandatory celibacy remains for the rest. It was introduced in the 12th century. (1139)
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Post by nkat on Aug 30, 2018 9:34:16 GMT -5
The religion is not flawed, the people running the Church are. But, what is 'the religion' if not the people running it? Jesus told his disciples to "go into the world and preach the gospel." He told his followers they would do greater things than he did. He told the people, his church, to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, suffer the little children to come unto him. He didn't tell them to sit around surrounded by gold and silver or drive around in a bullet proof funny little vehicle. He didn't tell them to build a castle on a hill and fill it with armed guards. Imagine no religion. John Lennon was right. I really is easy if you try. When my dad was alive, I always questioned the wealth of the Church. My dad often told me that items that they own are priceless and who could buy them. Back in the day, common people built the churches to adore God. Remember the diciples left their wives and families to follow Jesus, they did not bring their families to spread the Word. nkat
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Post by birdgal on Aug 30, 2018 12:30:41 GMT -5
Remember the diciples left their wives and families to follow Jesus, they did not bring their families to spread the Word. Maybe. Maybe not. There are many other books of the Bible that have never been printed. Also, there are many other religions that have ministers and preachers that "go into the world" and still are family men and women. What tnthomas wrote is probably correct. It probably has to do with money.
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