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Post by nkat on Aug 16, 2018 18:48:20 GMT -5
Are having their feet put to the fire in PA. One was in our parish, that actually baptised my dtr. I had wondered where he had disappeared to.
The cover up was disgusting! Sad how some low life scum can scar children and can bring shame on a religion.
nkat
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Post by birdgal on Aug 16, 2018 20:04:27 GMT -5
I saw a documentary on Netflix a while back about this. It was called "The Keepers." More than disgusting. If I believed in Hell I'd believe there was a special place for those that abused children or animals. In this documentary even the higher ups in the church were sexually abusing Catholic school girls and telling them it was Gods way of getting closer to them. It was also their little secret.
Their parents not only handed these children over to these sexual perverts/criminals but they paid for the privilege of having their daughters raped! Saddest part was when the girls told their parents the parents took the side of the church! Why? Because the church told the parents the girls were making it all up. You know how teenagers can be.
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Post by dragonlady on Aug 16, 2018 21:03:34 GMT -5
There was a similar situation in Ireland at one time that included the nuns also. The Catholic Church had, for many years, a strangle hold on Ireland - especially in regards to orphans. The priests and nuns were some of the most vicious internal terrorists. I believe the same was true in Australia - particularly where native peoples were concerned and not just the Catholic church - the protestant churches were just about as bad.
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 17, 2018 0:07:46 GMT -5
The Catholic Church will NOT be free of this evil until it opens up and lets the police in
to do their job and stops thinking they can police themselves.
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Post by Warrigal on Aug 17, 2018 0:43:42 GMT -5
There was a similar situation in Ireland at one time that included the nuns also. The Catholic Church had, for many years, a strangle hold on Ireland - especially in regards to orphans. The priests and nuns were some of the most vicious internal terrorists. I believe the same was true in Australia - particularly where native peoples were concerned and not just the Catholic church - the protestant churches were just about as bad. We have had a very lengthy judicial enquiry into historical sexual and other abuse of children in institutional care. It lasted for something like 5 years and covered everything from residential care, schools and correctional institutions. It was an explosive exposure of abuse and covering up of the criminal behaviour and spared no-one.
On the cover up side so far we have seen charges laid against a catholic archbishop and a cardinal and a former governor general who was also an Anglican archbishop might be facing charges soon.
Victims are to be compensated from church funds and in Tasmania there is a lot of church property sporting For Sale signs. Perpetrators have been charged but most have either died or are frail and/or demented by now.
Institutions have been forced to be more vigilant of the people having contact with children and vulnerable adults. I belong to the Uniting Church in Australia (protestant) and our congregation has a child care centre attached. In the past it was managed by a local committee and the day to day running was in the hands of the Director. The oversight was patchy at best. Now the responsibility for all staff rests with the Synod and the local committee's responsibility has been stripped down to having some input into budget. We have never had any trouble in over 40 years but from now on there will be much more care taken to watch out for predators.
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Post by formerlyme on Aug 17, 2018 5:07:47 GMT -5
To my mind, the Catholic Church, from top to bottom, is a drawing card for pedophiles. My greatest wish is that this church go broke through paying compensation to the untold numbers of innocent victims who were treated as objects for sexual gratification and had their lives hugely impacted in negative ways.
Many other churches are far from innocent in these regards. Is it any wonder that I (and many like me) prefer not to belong to any organized religions? Any person can live a decent and pious life without some Church dictating how to do it. |
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Post by Warrigal on Aug 17, 2018 7:13:05 GMT -5
Pedophiles move in wherever they can easy access to children - schools public and private, refuges for teens, out of home care for children, scouting organisations and similar.
Where the Catholic church is somewhat exceptional is clericalism. I have had a glimpse of this. Anything even remotely likely to cause scandal is covered up inhouse and clerics are quietly moved to another location. Added to that was (past tense now) the willingness of the laity to place priests on a pedestal as people who were somehow above all wrong doing.
The exposure provided by the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse has pulled back the curtain and exposed the whole ugly mess. Brand church and brand Christianity have been tarnished, possibly forever. The NT contains a text that says in part "The wages of sin is death" and if that is the fate of organised religion then so be it. Any country, organisation or family that does not protect its young will not thrive in the long run. Nor should it.
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Post by rebecca2013 on Aug 17, 2018 7:59:06 GMT -5
I am Catholic.... I was raised in the Church.... Growing up, we had a wonderful caring priest and never had any scandals like this..... What is so disturbing is that my Church covered up this horrific, unthinkable abomination. I don't agree with everything the Church stands for or certainly for it's behaviors concerning child abuse... there should be NO hiding of priests nor ANYONE who has abused a child.... EVER.... there should be NO statues of limitations.... period... These individuals should be prosecuted to the letter of the law, stripped of any clerical duties, defrocked and immediately treated like any other criminal pedophile and punished. Moving priests around... PROMOTING them to Monsignors, Archbishops and in some cases like Cardinal McCarrick who are sick twisted mockeries of what a Shepard should be....
have a Church Trial doesn't cut it for me... they should be dragged out of the Church and tried and placed in prison when convicted.... period..... regardless of when these sickening abuses happened.
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Post by Drifter on Aug 17, 2018 8:01:46 GMT -5
To my mind, the Catholic Church, from top to bottom, is a drawing card for pedophiles. My greatest wish is that this church go broke through paying compensation to the untold numbers of innocent victims who were treated as objects for sexual gratification and had their lives hugely impacted in negative ways.
Many other churches are far from innocent in these regards. Is it any wonder that I (and many like me) prefer not to belong to any organized religions? Any person can live a decent and pious life without some Church dictating how to do it.
I agree with your last statement too.
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Post by nkat on Aug 17, 2018 11:26:24 GMT -5
This entire situation is just so sad. People look to their clergy for comfort and wisdom not to be the clergys dirty entertainment.
nkat
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Post by rosa427 on Aug 17, 2018 14:48:16 GMT -5
The things the church did to children that were unfathomable went on for centuries. The castrated boys for entertainment purpose well in the mid 1900s, something I became aware of reading fiction, but researched and found it was an actual real practice. People often turn a blind eye to much of the horrors of things that happen under the roof of religious leaders just as much as they do now under this presidents administration par for course, it's what people do when it doesn't suit their purpose to fight against something. But thank goodness sometimes good wins over evil, lets hopes that keeps happening well into the future. I have my own personal negative experiences with religious leaders which I won't go into, I do know the bad don't represent all, just as with most things were there are a few bad fruit, but, in some of these religious organizations, many a time the bad far outweighed the good. I'm just giving two links but this was in no way limited to the Catholic church, India, and other religions also practiced this in different forms for different reasons. Some related reading: www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/14/humanities.highereducationwww.religioustolerance.org/rcccast.htm |
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Post by nkat on Aug 17, 2018 21:44:03 GMT -5
The things the church did to children that were unfathomable went on for centuries. The castrated boys for entertainment purpose well in the mid 1900s, something I became aware of reading fiction, but researched and found it was an actual real practice. People often turn a blind eye to much of the horrors of things that happen under the roof of religious leaders just as much as they do now under this presidents administration par for course, it's what people do when it doesn't suit their purpose to fight against something. But thank goodness sometimes good wins over evil, lets hopes that keeps happening well into the future. I have my own personal negative experiences with religious leaders which I won't go into, I do know the bad don't represent all, just as with most things were there are a few bad fruit, but, in some of these religious organizations, many a time the bad far outweighed the good. I'm just giving two links but this was in no way limited to the Catholic church, India, and other religions also practiced this in different forms for different reasons. Some related reading: www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/14/humanities.highereducationwww.religioustolerance.org/rcccast.htmWhere were the boys parents when this was done to them? nkat |
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Post by rosa427 on Aug 17, 2018 22:09:14 GMT -5
The things the church did to children that were unfathomable went on for centuries. The castrated boys for entertainment purpose well in the mid 1900s, something I became aware of reading fiction, but researched and found it was an actual real practice. People often turn a blind eye to much of the horrors of things that happen under the roof of religious leaders just as much as they do now under this presidents administration par for course, it's what people do when it doesn't suit their purpose to fight against something. But thank goodness sometimes good wins over evil, lets hopes that keeps happening well into the future. I have my own personal negative experiences with religious leaders which I won't go into, I do know the bad don't represent all, just as with most things were there are a few bad fruit, but, in some of these religious organizations, many a time the bad far outweighed the good. I'm just giving two links but this was in no way limited to the Catholic church, India, and other religions also practiced this in different forms for different reasons. Some related reading: www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/14/humanities.highereducationwww.religioustolerance.org/rcccast.htmWhere were the boys parents when this was done to them? nkat Often people had no choice in decisions about their children, just like in slavery, Some people volunteered their children, people had a lot of archaic beliefs thinking, even some youth were groomed to believe and looked forward to the process to hear some tell it. In the more modern era the used mostly orphaned children. You'll need to read the articles for more details. My research didn't really go that deep, I was just curious back when I was reading about it to know if something of that nature actually existed. The ways in which it was practiced were different or similar depending of their reasons for practicing these rituals. There are deeply religious adult men, to this day, who use boys for their perversions to have young boys as servants, no one talks about it and these men consider themselves heterosexual. Some of these things I've read about in biographies of people from Iran and other such places. I've read so many books over the years written by people from various countries, some fiction most non-fiction, but some of these stories have been mentioned about the used of boys and young men. I don't know, at the moment, I'm getting sick, I can only take this in brief doses. It makes me sick and gives me a bit of PTSD. |
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Post by Warrigal on Aug 17, 2018 22:34:39 GMT -5
You have my sympathy, Rosa, and I cannot claim to understand your experiences and feelings.
My only immediate advice, offered sincerely, is to switch off now and take some time to soothe yourself.
If it isn't too cold outside, spend some time marveling at the sky. It always works for me.
If this subject wounds you at a deep level,I suggest you close yourself off from the discussion altogether.
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Post by birdgal on Aug 18, 2018 13:58:37 GMT -5
(((Rosa427)))
I agree with Warrigal you could use a break from this nasty stuff. Excellent advise Warrigal! Being outside surrounded by Mother Nature's beauties and babies restores my soul and my sanity.
Sometimes I wish we all lived closer so we could meet for a cup of coffee, tea, or something stronger. lol.
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