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Post by Warrigal on Mar 6, 2018 23:52:21 GMT -5
dragonlady posted.. ... The teachers might be underpaid but they signed contracts and what I read when they went on strike they broke the law. I do not know about you but I believe in our laws. Are you absolutely sure that they broke the law?
As I understand it, taking industrial action during the period of negotiation of new contracts is not illegal. Usually the action starts out as minimal and escalates if the employer is refusing to negotiate in good faith.
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Post by butterfly on Mar 7, 2018 3:39:03 GMT -5
dragonlady posted.. ... The teachers might be underpaid but they signed contracts and what I read when they went on strike they broke the law. I do not know about you but I believe in our laws. Are you absolutely sure that they broke the law?
As I understand it, taking industrial action during the period of negotiation of new contracts is not illegal. Usually the action starts out as minimal and escalates if the employer is refusing to negotiate in good faith.
Warri, many teachers' contracts here do forbid going on strike, as do some other public employees' contracts.
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 7, 2018 5:01:43 GMT -5
Is breaking a contract the same as breaking the law? Then let the authorities sack them all and see how they plan to staff the schools after that. Either that or go to court and obtain a court order to force them back to work. If that has not been done already, I suspect the government has no case or public opinion is with the teachers.
They are being messed around by the government playing politics. Time to stand their ground if they don't want to be ground into the dust.
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Post by oldmontana on Mar 7, 2018 9:05:16 GMT -5
www.theintelligencer.net/news/top-headlines/2018/02/west-virginia-attorney-general-planned-teacher-walkout-is-illegal/part of the article..for what its worth... West Virginia Attorney General: Planned Teacher Walkout Is Illegal These preparations come as West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey on Wednesday said the planned work stoppage is “illegal” and his office stands ready to support any state agency in enforcing the law. “Any such action would be consistent with my duty as attorney general to uphold the rule of law and designed so as to ensure our students have access to the education they are entitled to by our state’s constitution,” Morrisey said. “Breaking the law does not set a good example for our children"
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Post by robusta on Mar 7, 2018 9:13:39 GMT -5
Are you absolutely sure that they broke the law?
As I understand it, taking industrial action during the period of negotiation of new contracts is not illegal. Usually the action starts out as minimal and escalates if the employer is refusing to negotiate in good faith
Once again we have fifty states with at least fifty different ways of doing things.
New York State public employees Labor under the "Taylor Law"
thepjsta.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/2009-qa-taylor-law-for-web.pdf
What is the Taylor Law? The Public Employees Fair Employment Act (Taylor Law), passed in 1967, oversees public employee labor relations in New York State, and has had a profound effect on the wa y that public school districts and their employees interact. Changes in the Taylor Law since 1967 have consistently provided more negotiating power for bargaining units. What are the Taylor La w’s major provisions? All NYS public employees may organize into units and negotiat e employment agreements with their public employers, who are obligated to bargain with them on conditions of employment. Employee units may vote to be members of state or national unions. Employees cannot be forced to join a union, but the union must represent them. Any contract negotiated between the unit and its employer includes all employees, even non-union members. Even employees who choose not to belong to a union have a union fee (agency fee) deducted from their pay. Public employers must deduct this fee from paychecks for the union. The Taylor Law requires public employers and their employees to meet at reasonable times to bargain in good faith, but establishes no time frame or obligation for a final agreement. In return for these benefits, public employees may not strike
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 7, 2018 9:28:50 GMT -5
Let's be practical. Can the classes be taught by strike breakers? I think probably not. Can all of the teachers be arrested? I doubt that there are enough empty prisons to hold them all. At the moment the teachers hold the whip hand.
They are foregoing their pay at the moment and I suppose they could be fined but only if a court, not an attorney general, rules that they can be punished that way. The attorney general is just another politician, is he not? His assessment of the situation is hardly impartial since he represents the employer in this case.
The strike should be over soon because it cannot go on indefinitely. One way it could end is for the Senate to approve the pay rise. The other is for the teachers to decide the loss of income is too much to keep going. He/she who blinks first loses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 13:08:36 GMT -5
“Breaking the law does not set a good example for our children" I could not agree with you less. Sometimes breaking the law is exactly the right kind of example to set.
“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.
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Post by oldmontana on Mar 7, 2018 14:45:18 GMT -5
Toby Posted..
I could not agree with you less. Sometimes breaking the law is exactly the right kind of example to set.
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I was talking about the teachers not civil rights...please reply to the subject of this thread. Please.
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 7, 2018 17:43:18 GMT -5
The right to withhold labour is a civil right. Too bad this right was not mentioned in the Bill of Rights.
The only thing wrong about this strike is that it is too clumsy. The teachers would gain better traction with a string of on/off rolling strikes including half day closing of schools to attend rallies. Schools would stay open with minimal supervision for children whose parents could not make other arrangements. This way they gain public support and the government soon caves in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 17:48:41 GMT -5
The right to withhold labour is a civil right.
Unless you are a slave, which is what the Republicans want to make everyone in the working class into.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 17:50:37 GMT -5
please reply to the subject of this thread. Please.
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Post by Drifter on Mar 19, 2018 12:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by dragonlady on Mar 19, 2018 13:56:34 GMT -5
Personally, I think there should be a law against redistricting with a political motive
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 15:06:57 GMT -5
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 19, 2018 19:43:59 GMT -5
Personally, I think there should be a law against redistricting with a political motive Agreed.
In Australia all electoral boundaries are constantly under review by a non partisan body known as the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC). Every effort is made to see that electorates are within a set tolerance for number of voters and as far as possible natural boundaries such as major roads and rivers are used. Changes are only made to redress an inbalance and lizard-like outlines do not happen.
We have just had a state election in South Australia after one such distribution and the long standing Labor (left) government fell after 16 years in office. Basically it was the redistribution that caused this to happen but at the last election they won office with a minority of the votes so the situation could not be called vote rigging by any fair person.
The gerrymander is impossible in Australia now and governments can no longer sit indefinitely in office by manipulating the boundaries to suit themselves.
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