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Post by butterfly on Nov 10, 2017 1:22:32 GMT -5
I like the word "fundamentalist" applied to these folks, rather than "evangelical," which I don't think quite fits. A lot of churches call themselves "evangelical" on their own statements of their theology, but are in no way any part of the so-called "Evangelical" group we refer to when we mean the right-wing wackos who think we ought to have some kind of theocracy and that they have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others. You're not familiar with 'dominionists'? I had not heard the word "dominionist" before, but I googled it and I strongly disagree with their position.
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Post by rjhangover on Nov 10, 2017 11:09:12 GMT -5
"Jesus did not prohibit judging of any sort, Rather, He warned against judging others in way that we would not want applied to ourselves. Prohibiting judgment would be impossible. Matthew 7King James Version (KJV) 7 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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Post by rjhangover on Nov 10, 2017 11:10:33 GMT -5
It was only quite recently that I started noticing the term 'Evangelicals' has been grabbed by Fundamentalists, which was another subject I'd heard nothing about til recent years. Fundamentalists assert that THEY are 'Christians,' and other (genuine) Christians are not. Fundamentalism as it's being spread these days allegedly began in the 1920s, and they even took over the Southern Baptist Convention in the late 1970s. Instead of the CHRISTIAN approach 'God so LOVED the world,' it's all about 'wrath,' and as you said authoritarianism. To show how nutty it is, I learned they even asserted that God was responsible for the JFK assassination, claiming it was God's Wrath over the U.S. Supreme Court taking prayer out of public schools. But as screwy as all this is, we can't afford to ignore it, because Fundamentalists are gaining too much power in this country. I like the word "fundamentalist" applied to these folks, rather than "evangelical," which I don't think quite fits. A lot of churches call themselves "evangelical" on their own statements of their theology, but are in no way any part of the so-called "Evangelical" group we refer to when we mean the right-wing wackos who think we ought to have some kind of theocracy and that they have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others. fundaMENTAList... yep
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Post by The Inspector on Nov 10, 2017 11:49:02 GMT -5
I go by a Christen Church flying the rainbow flag and it has a sign " Hate does not live here."
So some Christens are, Christ like!
Matthew 7King James Version (KJV)
was a king and some of the Kings scribes translations were self serving and some are not very good.
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Post by rjhangover on Nov 10, 2017 12:03:42 GMT -5
I go by a Christen Church flying the rainbow flag and it has a sign " Hate does not live here." So some Christens are, Christ like! Matthew 7King James Version (KJV) was a king and some of the Kings scribes translations were self serving and some are not very good. Actually, the first bible was put together by Constantine's priests at Nicaea. The KJV didn't come until over a thousand years later, and it was put together by Protestant Martin Luther. But you're right, the priests put the bible together to give power to Constantine and the church...The Catholic church ruled for 1,500 years. More than half of scripture is not in the bible.
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Post by The Inspector on Nov 10, 2017 20:29:30 GMT -5
I should check all the facts before putting foot in mouth.The bad translation,I was thinking about was the one in to English.
Like saying : Thou shalt not kill (kill) should be (murder) (kill) would include animals and I do not believe Moses was a vegetarian.
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Post by QuickSilver on Nov 12, 2017 13:34:22 GMT -5
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Post by tnthomas on Nov 12, 2017 14:56:34 GMT -5
Yes, this movement needs to be called out, and people need to be kept aware of it's malignant ramifications. I personally know many people who are in some way "decent people", but who nonetheless consume this trash ideology, which easily can be referred to as American Talibanism.
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Post by Sunkist on Nov 16, 2017 1:00:17 GMT -5
Yes, this movement needs to be called out, and people need to be kept aware of it's malignant ramifications. I personally know many people who are in some way "decent people", but who nonetheless consume this trash ideology, which easily can be referred to as American Talibanism. One book I read recently describes one of its largest branches as “the most dangerous mind-control cult in America," and stated that the Department of Homeland Security considers it "a legitimate terror threat to our country."
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Post by butterfly on Nov 16, 2017 2:53:24 GMT -5
Yes, this movement needs to be called out, and people need to be kept aware of it's malignant ramifications. I personally know many people who are in some way "decent people", but who nonetheless consume this trash ideology, which easily can be referred to as American Talibanism. One book I read recently describes one of its largest branches as “the most dangerous mind-control cult in America," and stated that the Department of Homeland Security considers it "a legitimate terror threat to our country." IMHO this kind of cult or whatever you want to call it -- I can't call it Christianity because it isn't Christian at all -- is exactly why the framers of the constitution supported separation of church and state. Religious persecution was one of the biggest reasons people came to the new world in the first place, and here we have it rearing its ugly head again through people who think their religious beliefs should control the beliefs and actions of others and even the law of the land. It is vicious and repugnant and it is creeping more and more into our society. I can certainly see why Homeland Security considers it a terror threat.
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Post by Sunkist on Nov 16, 2017 11:13:47 GMT -5
One book I read recently describes one of its largest branches as “the most dangerous mind-control cult in America," and stated that the Department of Homeland Security considers it "a legitimate terror threat to our country." IMHO this kind of cult or whatever you want to call it -- I can't call it Christianity because it isn't Christian at all -- is exactly why the framers of the constitution supported separation of church and state. Religious persecution was one of the biggest reasons people came to the new world in the first place, and here we have it rearing its ugly head again through people who think their religious beliefs should control the beliefs and actions of others and even the law of the land. It is vicious and repugnant and it is creeping more and more into our society. I can certainly see why Homeland Security considers it a terror threat. That makes sense to me. And reminds me of this: it took some doing, but awhile back, I checked virtually all of the regular Christian denominations, and every one I read about believes in the separation of church and state- even traditional Baptists. So with a theory in mind, I went to a couple of sites that promote religious freedom, asking if all of these denominations have this belief, where is the 'prayer in the schools, prayer in public, etc.' coming from, and the replies agreed with what I thought: Fundamentalists. Traditional Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. etc. etc. do not 'go for' any of the stuff these fake christians are doing or pushing. I've noticed many simply call themselves 'christians,' while others kinda hide behind the name of real religions- like the so-called Westboro 'Baptist' Church.
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Post by Warrigal on Nov 20, 2017 10:11:02 GMT -5
Jesus himself is recorded as saying that many who claim to be his followers will not be recognised by him.
It is easy for anyone to say that they are Christians and preach from the scriptures but if they don't practise what they preach they are hypocrites and worse if they pervert the scriptures. Members of the Westboro Church are examples of the latter. They are much further away from God that a couple of down and out hobos who steal to survive but who share what little they have with another who is hungry.
They are not evangelicals either because they do not preach the Good News of salvation. Their message is of hateful condemnation.
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Post by birdgal on Nov 20, 2017 16:54:31 GMT -5
"and slowing leaning more atheist... but not quite there yet.." Come on over! We have cookies!! LOL!
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Post by birdgal on Nov 20, 2017 17:05:13 GMT -5
The bible tell us to, "resit the Devil and he will flee from you." Chat room Gods tell us to, "resist the troll and he will flee from you." ;) These people aren't Christians. They're noisy gongs and clanging cymbals. They are the wolves in sheep's clothing. Even if they are some twisted, hateful new sect of Christianity, let them enjoy their hate, loathing, silly superstitions, and creepy rituals in their homes and churches where they belong. They need to back off and stop interfering with my Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness before it's too late.
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Post by Warrigal on Nov 20, 2017 20:49:13 GMT -5
Jesus himself is recorded as saying that many who claim to be his followers will not be recognised by him.
It is easy for anyone to say that they are Christians and preach from the scriptures but if they don't practise what they preach they are hypocrites and worse if they pervert the scriptures. Members of the Westboro Church are examples of the latter. They are much further away from God that a couple of down and out hobos who steal to survive but who share what little they have with another who is hungry.
They are not evangelicals either because they do not preach the Good News of salvation. Their message is one of hateful condemnation.
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