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Post by Sunkist on Nov 5, 2017 15:22:46 GMT -5
But as screwy as all this is, we can't afford to ignore it, because Fundamentalists are gaining too much power in this country. That power gain can be placed squarely on the shoulders of the GOP... It was the GOP that courted the Evangelical/Fundamentalist vote.. especially in the south.. "VOTE FOR US"!! and we will, ban abortion, make homosexuality illegal, protect your gun rights from the nonexistent threat by "liberals" and on an on.. Making promise after promise on all the social issues the far Right just love to obsess over. AND.. election after election they believed them and voted Republican... Republicans never had any intention on keeping those promises.. they just wanted to get into power to push their fiscal agenda.. Well... before long the Religious Right caught on to how they were being played and how none of the promises were being kept.. So they began running their own candidates... that's how the tea party and now the Alt Right were born.. and they ARE gaining power. I believe everything you said here is 100% accurate. Also, from what I've seen, the GOPs in the highest power started with Reagan... I don't think republicans before him were on-board with any of this- Ford, Nixon, etc. Worse, though, in my opinion, is they're going after children- are you familiar with the so-called "Good-News Club" that's been spreading all over the U.S. in recent decades? They've been sneaking into public schools all over the country, and the schools have been unable to keep them out.
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Post by rjhangover on Nov 5, 2017 16:43:29 GMT -5
That power gain can be placed squarely on the shoulders of the GOP... It was the GOP that courted the Evangelical/Fundamentalist vote.. especially in the south.. "VOTE FOR US"!! and we will, ban abortion, make homosexuality illegal, protect your gun rights from the nonexistent threat by "liberals" and on an on.. Making promise after promise on all the social issues the far Right just love to obsess over. AND.. election after election they believed them and voted Republican... Republicans never had any intention on keeping those promises.. they just wanted to get into power to push their fiscal agenda.. Well... before long the Religious Right caught on to how they were being played and how none of the promises were being kept.. So they began running their own candidates... that's how the tea party and now the Alt Right were born.. and they ARE gaining power. I believe everything you said here is 100% accurate. Also, from what I've seen, the GOPs in the highest power started with Reagan... I don't think republicans before him were on-board with any of this- Ford, Nixon, etc. Worse, though, in my opinion, is they're going after children- are you familiar with the so-called "Good-News Club" that's been spreading all over the U.S. in recent decades? They've been sneaking into public schools all over the country, and the schools have been unable to keep them out. Yeah, it's the Scopes Monkey trials all over again....BTW welcome to the good place.
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Post by Sunkist on Nov 5, 2017 21:36:52 GMT -5
This thought just occurred to me: as Fundamentalists believe Jesus Christ actually created the world, and no one had an answer to how this belief could be compatible with the stories of his birth in the New Testament, would Jesus being born in the manger have made him the world's first 'Born-Again Christian'?
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Post by rjhangover on Nov 6, 2017 11:40:58 GMT -5
This thought just occurred to me: as Fundamentalists believe Jesus Christ actually created the world, and no one had an answer to how this belief could be compatible with the stories of his birth in the New Testament, would Jesus being born in the manger have made him the world's first 'Born-Again Christian'? Jesus is the Christ, not the Creator or the Holy Spirit.
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Post by badsanta on Nov 7, 2017 8:22:52 GMT -5
but i read elsewhere on here that some “wished him (trump) dead”,,,,,,,,or at the very least he wouldshould be harmed in some way. is that being very “christian”? not in my eyes. yeah, yeah,,,,”love the person; hate the deed,,,,,,turn the other cheek”,,,,,yadda; yadda; yadda. heard it all before. sure, i agree it;s ok to expose someones faults,,,but be careful where the stone is cast. judge not lest ye be judged and let ye without sin thyself cast that first stone. Luke 6:37King James Version (KJV) 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV) You Will Know Them by Their Fruits 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. i see a lot of judging and even more condemnation here within these walls. some are good at talking the talk but not so good at walking the walk.
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Post by tnthomas on Nov 7, 2017 10:50:12 GMT -5
Luke 6:37King James Version (KJV) 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV) You Will Know Them by Their Fruits 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. i see a lot of judging and even more condemnation here within these walls. some are good at talking the talk but not so good at walking the walk. Your sole purpose for joining this community is pretty obvious: to try to degrade forum members and create a hostile environment. Maybe some kind of "revenge" purpose, for perceived wrongs against you, either here as another user identity, or on another forum. Some say that it's more desirable to ignore behavior such as yours- I disagree. Like an infected wound, ignoring the problem does not provide healing. So Badsanta, why don't you tell us about yourself, where we might know you from, and what your grievance really is?
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Post by rjhangover on Nov 7, 2017 11:10:16 GMT -5
Luke 6:37King James Version (KJV) 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV) You Will Know Them by Their Fruits 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. i see a lot of judging and even more condemnation here within these walls. some are good at talking the talk but not so good at walking the walk. Everyone is fallible, but focusing on the positive instead of the negative is always better for your mind and soul.
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Post by badsanta on Nov 7, 2017 14:26:35 GMT -5
i see a lot of judging and even more condemnation here within these walls. some are good at talking the talk but not so good at walking the walk. Your sole purpose for joining this community is pretty obvious: to try to degrade forum members and create a hostile environment. Maybe some kind of "revenge" purpose, for perceived wrongs against you, either here as another user identity, or on another forum. Some say that it's more desirable to ignore behavior such as yours- I disagree. Like an infected wound, ignoring the problem does not provide healing. So Badsanta, why don't you tell us about yourself, where we might know you from, and what your grievance really is? degrading? who have i degraded? creating a hostile environment? i;be done no such thing. revenge??? wow,,,,,,are you ever so far off base. to ignore or not to ignore,,,,, its your choice. engage me and i will engage reciprocally. i come here with fresh eyes. seeing behavior that others dont. i speak my mind and call a spade a spade. some dont like it. i guess the truth hurts some to read it.
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Post by tnthomas on Nov 7, 2017 14:28:34 GMT -5
Your sole purpose for joining this community is pretty obvious: to try to degrade forum members and create a hostile environment. Maybe some kind of "revenge" purpose, for perceived wrongs against you, either here as another user identity, or on another forum. Some say that it's more desirable to ignore behavior such as yours- I disagree. Like an infected wound, ignoring the problem does not provide healing. So Badsanta, why don't you tell us about yourself, where we might know you from, and what your grievance really is? degrading? who have i degraded? creating a hostile environment? i;be done no such thing. revenge??? wow,,,,,,are you ever so far off base. to ignore or not to ignore,,,,, its your choice. engage me and i will engage reciprocally. i come here with fresh eyes. seeing behavior that others dont. i speak my mind and call a spade a spade. some dont like it. i guess the truth hurts some to read it. No doubt you believe this, so that is surely your right.
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Post by butterfly on Nov 7, 2017 22:29:25 GMT -5
It appears to me that Evangelicals have one trait in common.. They LOVE authoritarianism.... They LOVE to see punishment and wrath directed at anyone that does not fit into their narrow view of the world. They seem to have the need to follow an authoritarian leader feeling that this person offers them protection of their world view.. Hence.. the love of someone like Trump, and even the admiration of a figure like Putin. This is the reason I believe reason they cherry pick the Bible for the most damning and violent examples while ignoring the kindness and inclusiveness, which seem to threaten them for some reason. NO.. Evangelicals are definitely not following the teachings of Christ. It was only quite recently that I started noticing the term 'Evangelicals' has been grabbed by Fundamentalists, which was another subject I'd heard nothing about til recent years. Fundamentalists assert that THEY are 'Christians,' and other (genuine) Christians are not. Fundamentalism as it's being spread these days allegedly began in the 1920s, and they even took over the Southern Baptist Convention in the late 1970s. Instead of the CHRISTIAN approach 'God so LOVED the world,' it's all about 'wrath,' and as you said authoritarianism. To show how nutty it is, I learned they even asserted that God was responsible for the JFK assassination, claiming it was God's Wrath over the U.S. Supreme Court taking prayer out of public schools. But as screwy as all this is, we can't afford to ignore it, because Fundamentalists are gaining too much power in this country. I like the word "fundamentalist" applied to these folks, rather than "evangelical," which I don't think quite fits. A lot of churches call themselves "evangelical" on their own statements of their theology, but are in no way any part of the so-called "Evangelical" group we refer to when we mean the right-wing wackos who think we ought to have some kind of theocracy and that they have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others.
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Post by The Inspector on Nov 8, 2017 0:27:14 GMT -5
Many christians fit the false prophet mold and bear bad fruit. So works for me, It all in the interruption.
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Post by The Inspector on Nov 9, 2017 10:53:05 GMT -5
"Jesus did not prohibit judging of any sort, Rather, He warned against judging others in way that we would not want applied to ourselves.
Prohibiting judgment would be impossible.
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Post by Sunkist on Nov 10, 2017 0:08:27 GMT -5
It was only quite recently that I started noticing the term 'Evangelicals' has been grabbed by Fundamentalists, which was another subject I'd heard nothing about til recent years. Fundamentalists assert that THEY are 'Christians,' and other (genuine) Christians are not. Fundamentalism as it's being spread these days allegedly began in the 1920s, and they even took over the Southern Baptist Convention in the late 1970s. Instead of the CHRISTIAN approach 'God so LOVED the world,' it's all about 'wrath,' and as you said authoritarianism. To show how nutty it is, I learned they even asserted that God was responsible for the JFK assassination, claiming it was God's Wrath over the U.S. Supreme Court taking prayer out of public schools. But as screwy as all this is, we can't afford to ignore it, because Fundamentalists are gaining too much power in this country. I like the word "fundamentalist" applied to these folks, rather than "evangelical," which I don't think quite fits. A lot of churches call themselves "evangelical" on their own statements of their theology, but are in no way any part of the so-called "Evangelical" group we refer to when we mean the right-wing wackos who think we ought to have some kind of theocracy and that they have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others. You're not familiar with 'dominionists'?
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Post by Sunkist on Nov 10, 2017 0:18:34 GMT -5
"Jesus did not prohibit judging of any sort, Rather, He warned against judging others in way that we would not want applied to ourselves. Prohibiting judgment would be impossible. If this approach could be widespread, it'd certainly be positive. Instead, though, this 'no judging' malarky has been spreading like wildfire- ranging from ridiculous to messy- from well-meaning individuals who fully believe they'd be going against God by serving on juries to a defense attorney using it in her closing statement to tell the jury they couldn't convict her client. Something I've noticed, though: going by an expression I heard was popular in my grandparents' day, "Take it from the source"- it's often individuals who have done the most horrible things themselves who do this 'you cannot judge.' The very first individual from whom I heard it had been involved in a murder; the last time was an individual who'd committed child molestations and then claimed "Judge not lest ye be judged!" God gave people brains to use- and I'm sure those who do not believe in God have a comparable viewpoint, too.
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Post by The Inspector on Nov 10, 2017 1:21:57 GMT -5
I am a bit concerned about the magical God connection and brains the bible writers had, that no long exist, did GOD die or we lose the magic.
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