Post by 2old on Jul 1, 2024 14:23:32 GMT -5
Have been listening to various and sundry synopsis of today's SCOTUS immunity ruling. Here's what I have picked up...so far.
ANYTHING a POTUS does in an "official duty" that POTUS has immunity...even if it would be illegal for any other person. Yes, Sotomayer's dissent even queried the thoughts a POTUS could have a political foe assassinated and he would be exempt from prosecution. A POTUS could order the DOJ to arrest and imprison a political adversary and he is immune from his/her actions.
No conversation, text, email, memo to a person in the cabinet or any official in the administration can be used as evidence in a criminal proceeding against said POTUS.
Motive can never be used as evidence or brought into a potential indictment of a POTUS. If a POTUS sells pardons, ambassadorships, etc. for personal profit...that's okay! It's part of his "official" duty and cannot be questioned.
Most everything a POTUS does is either an "official act", a "presumption of an official act", or a private act. The POTUS can be charged for illegality he might do as a private act. Much will be "presumed" official until a lower court holds hearing and decide whether or not that presumption immunizes the POTUS or that if falls under "private acts". If the lower court would rule the action as private, it could be appealed by the POTUS. Hence, it ends back with the biased/corrupt SCOTUS.
With today's ruling, no current indictment will see a courtroom before the election. If elected, democracy is gone. Trump will feel vindicated and go on a revenge binge. It will be bloody and will hurt many Americans. If Biden is reelected, there will be four years to attempt repair to today's decision.
Within the past 5 days the SCOTUS ruled people who cannot afford homes, hotels, shelter can be arrested as criminals if they live on the street. OTOH, they have ruled a POTUS has immunity for crimes that could include assassination of a political foe, someone who has spoken ill of him/her. A POTUS could order the military...as his official duty as Commander-in-Chief to use force to pick up and secure any and all election ballots to never again see the light of day...and declare himself/herself POTUS for life.
The has been a dark day for democracy and for the future of the United States. It emphasizes the importance of making certain Biden is reelected. (I've seen it suggested Biden postpone the 11/5 election for 1 year until some of Trump's court proceedings could be held. Wouldn't that be an "official act"??_
ANYTHING a POTUS does in an "official duty" that POTUS has immunity...even if it would be illegal for any other person. Yes, Sotomayer's dissent even queried the thoughts a POTUS could have a political foe assassinated and he would be exempt from prosecution. A POTUS could order the DOJ to arrest and imprison a political adversary and he is immune from his/her actions.
No conversation, text, email, memo to a person in the cabinet or any official in the administration can be used as evidence in a criminal proceeding against said POTUS.
Motive can never be used as evidence or brought into a potential indictment of a POTUS. If a POTUS sells pardons, ambassadorships, etc. for personal profit...that's okay! It's part of his "official" duty and cannot be questioned.
Most everything a POTUS does is either an "official act", a "presumption of an official act", or a private act. The POTUS can be charged for illegality he might do as a private act. Much will be "presumed" official until a lower court holds hearing and decide whether or not that presumption immunizes the POTUS or that if falls under "private acts". If the lower court would rule the action as private, it could be appealed by the POTUS. Hence, it ends back with the biased/corrupt SCOTUS.
With today's ruling, no current indictment will see a courtroom before the election. If elected, democracy is gone. Trump will feel vindicated and go on a revenge binge. It will be bloody and will hurt many Americans. If Biden is reelected, there will be four years to attempt repair to today's decision.
Within the past 5 days the SCOTUS ruled people who cannot afford homes, hotels, shelter can be arrested as criminals if they live on the street. OTOH, they have ruled a POTUS has immunity for crimes that could include assassination of a political foe, someone who has spoken ill of him/her. A POTUS could order the military...as his official duty as Commander-in-Chief to use force to pick up and secure any and all election ballots to never again see the light of day...and declare himself/herself POTUS for life.
The has been a dark day for democracy and for the future of the United States. It emphasizes the importance of making certain Biden is reelected. (I've seen it suggested Biden postpone the 11/5 election for 1 year until some of Trump's court proceedings could be held. Wouldn't that be an "official act"??_
