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Post by The Inspector on Dec 3, 2023 12:52:25 GMT -5
What policies, south border crossing did go up, and are coming down some. His policies have brought down Inflation, caused by the end of the pandemic, The spike in Inflation, did cause, a problem, because, some people, finally got, long over do raises, and some did Not, which made the divide between the, haves and have-nots, larger, The Red states are having a brain drain, and the rich are moving in, for lower taxes, and lower cost of living. Which will not stay low, if the people have more money. The US Supreme Court has made gun crime go up, which is a legacy problem from trump. Biden has done a great job working with countries around the world, and we do not get laughed at in the UN anymore. Not sure why the GOP like the US to be a joke around the world, but it does. The US has been stabilizing, if we could get the US Supreme Court, to help, things would get better. There is a strong minority which, does not like stability, and wishes, to get what they want in, the chaos.
Biden, inherited a country that was a joke all over the would, the southern border was a humanitarian mess. The US Congress, likely will never come-up with laws that help, with surges, on the southern border. The pandemic was being miss handled, Biden has stabilized the country. We will always have social disagreements, and likely no agreement on how to fix the southern border.
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Post by oldmontana on Dec 3, 2023 17:37:45 GMT -5
Not what voters see about inflation and the border, two things why voters from both parities do not want Biden to run. I hope we get a better choice than Biden vs Trump.
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Post by The Inspector on Dec 4, 2023 10:49:14 GMT -5
The border is a problem, it is not easy to balance people's rights, with the needs of your country. Some people only care about their rights.
The reality that inflation, is not a problem, NOW, has not sunk in, the news is not helping with people living in the past. Like I said, the spike in inflation, and spike in rents, caused people that did not rise with the good economy, to be in trouble.
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Post by tnthomas on Dec 4, 2023 11:26:26 GMT -5
Not what voters see about inflation and the border, two things why voters from both parities do not want Biden to run. I hope we get a better choice than Biden vs Trump. If you look objectively at Biden's presidency, and not just accept the purposefully negative view you get from the media you consume, you would understand that Biden is an effective, competent POTUS, and that his age is not a factor in his ability to continue as president for 4 more years.
Hopefully Trump will get the justice he deserves, and will be spending his last days in prison.
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Post by oldmontana on Dec 4, 2023 13:10:43 GMT -5
Not what voters see about inflation and the border, two things why voters from both parities do not want Biden to run. I hope we get a better choice than Biden vs Trump. If you look objectively at Biden's presidency, and not just accept the purposefully negative view you get from the media you consume, you would understand that Biden is an effective, competent POTUS, and that his age is not a factor in his ability to continue as president for 4 more years.
Hopefully Trump will get the justice he deserves, and will be spending his last days in prison.
Not what voters see about inflation and the border, two things why voters from both parties do not want Biden to run. I hope we get a better choice than Biden vs Trump. There are some that do not want to accept what Biden has done and not done. There are many that hate FOX for exposing things they do not want to hear, I put you in that camp after reading your posts. They keep saying Biden policies are bad because many are. |
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Post by dragonlady on Dec 4, 2023 15:07:22 GMT -5
Better still would be to have Trump not running at all.
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Post by oldmontana on Dec 4, 2023 16:18:25 GMT -5
Better still would be to have Trump not running at all. They keep saying Biden policies are bad. Because they are. If you think you are better off under Biden than you were under Trump please tell me why? Thanks |
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Post by tnthomas on Dec 4, 2023 17:57:48 GMT -5
There are some that do not want to accept what Biden has done and not done. There are many that hate FOX for exposing things they do not want to hear, I put you in that camp after reading your posts. oldmontana , thank you for exposing your support of FOX, no surprises though...it was easy to tell that you enjoy hearing the never-ending string of half-truths & no-truths. They keep saying Biden policies are bad because many are. Again, all FOX has to do is say something negative and there are those that accept it as the gospel truth, no questions asked. It's what they do, keep the audience groomed & happy, advertising revenues stay healthy. |
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Post by dragonlady on Dec 4, 2023 19:37:47 GMT -5
If you think you are better off under Biden than you were under Trump please tell me why? Thanks As you have so often demonstrated, as both a TRUMP/Fox believer, that would be an exercise in futility. You appear to be immune to truth and reality, so "no!" I'm not wasting my time. |
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Post by tnthomas on Dec 4, 2023 20:26:05 GMT -5
If you think you are better off under Biden than you were under Trump please tell me why? Thanks My first thought would be to say that if you have to ask that question, then you obviously weren't / still aren't paying attention. However, I'll take your question as an opportunity to highlight Biden's accomplishments.
Here's just a few:
Added 6.6 million jobs Lowering Costs of Families' Everyday Expenses.
More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History.
Making More in America.
Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic. Helped avert a major railway workers strike Rebuilding our Infrastructure.
Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans. American Rescue Plan: The $1.9 trillion bill
Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill: The $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill
Inflation Reduction Act
CHIPS Act: The $52 billion CHIPS Act
Gun safety: This bipartisan bill
Respect for Marriage Act
Electoral Count Reform Act
Confirmed 100 judges
Rollback of Trump policies
And then there's Trump's "accomplishments":
Subverting the 2020 election
Inciting an insurrection
Debased the public discourse and were blatantly racist or fanned the flames of existing divisions.
Politicizing the Justice Department
Obstructing the Mueller investigation
Abusing the pardon power
Pressured the Ukrainian government to help his reelection campaign
Demanding that government figures pledge loyalty to him
Firing whistleblowers and truth-tellers
Profiting off the presidency(both personally, and family)
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Post by oldmontana on Dec 4, 2023 20:56:12 GMT -5
If you think you are better off under Biden than you were under Trump please tell me why? Thanks As you have so often demonstrated, as both a TRUMP/Fox believer, that would be an exercise in futility. You appear to be immune to truth and reality, so "no!" I'm not wasting my time. Part of the link.. Fox News Most Trusted and Most Watched Even After Dominion Revelations, Latest Poll Shows Fox News Channel remains not just the most trusted among cable news networks but all of television news, and by a convincing plurality, despite scandals like the massive Dominion lawsuit against the ratings giant. Fox News is the top on TV in the most recent YouGov data on news sources, with 41% saying that it is the channel they “most trust for news.” The network, which boasts the biggest audience in all of cable news, has long been found to be “most trusted” by pollsters. That is close to double each of the second and third most trusted, ABC and CNN, which came in at 24% and 22% respectively, and more than twice that of MSNBC, at 18%. ================================================================================== If you don't watch FOX you are missing the news you do not want to see or hear. Your choice to be informed or not. |
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Post by oldmontana on Dec 4, 2023 21:12:03 GMT -5
If you think you are better off under Biden than you were under Trump please tell me why? Thanks As you have so often demonstrated, as both a TRUMP/Fox believer, that would be an exercise in futility. You appear to be immune to truth and reality, so "no!" I'm not wasting my time. You again are wrong about me. I do watch FOX and MSNBC, etc and I make up my own mind. To sat Iam immune to the truth is uncalled for and says a lot about you, not me. |
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Post by 2old on Dec 4, 2023 22:18:49 GMT -5
1. There are numerous polls available on line which disagree with the YouGov poll. Some of those rate Reuters, CNN, BBC, etc. much more reliable than Fox. I would tend to agree Fox may have more viewers. The MAGA cultists, along with the majority of Republicans, watch only Fox. Since the Dominion judgement, other far right outlets have picked up viewers. Newsmax, OAN, etc.
2. I resent your statement "They keep saying Biden policies are bad..." Who is "they"? Not me. Not the millions who voted for our POTUS...and will vote for him again. I'm active on Twitter(X), Threads, etc. You can find lots of folks who frequent social media sites that lean hard left...or hard right. Thankfully, there are just as many who want to be as moderate as possible, taking both sides and regurgitating talking points and evidence until reasonable and responsible thoughts emerge. It's amazing! When the discussions bear on 2024, the progressives look at hard evidence of what the POTUS has accomplished against a House of obstructionists. They look at the facts of what the POTUS has accomplished after handed the cleanup of a pandemic, and butchered economy and the MAGA "Freedom" caucus. The conservatives in the discussion bring anger, hate, swear words to the discussions. The majority only want to defend their indicted criminal, fraud, sexual abuser, insurrectionist leader. I don't know of one of these discussion where the conservatives have not finally taken their toys and gone home. There is no credible evidence that would suggest 45 should even be a candidate for POTUS and that the current POTUS should/could not continue bringing the U.S. back to it's leadership, globally, previous to 2017.
I just watched the interview of Liz Cheney by Jen Psaki. A person born and bred in the conservative world...a person who still proclaims she is a hard nosed conservative...a person who will never in her life be a progressive sermonizing that Democracy is done if the former guy were put back in the White House.
I only hope and pray that people like OM will grow spines, open their minds and come to the realization that our Country is doomed if the former guy is reelected. To stand on a crumbling soap box and preach that our current POTUS is unfit, unliked, too old to be reelected only assists in dismantling the Democracy so many before us have given life and limb to protect.
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