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Post by QuickSilver on Mar 2, 2020 16:54:10 GMT -5
Hopefully the warmer weather will slow the virus.. and a vaccine will be available in the fall..should it return..
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Post by QuickSilver on Mar 2, 2020 16:57:33 GMT -5
How can anyone say "entirely true"...do all you know something that the rest of the world does NOT....good grief. All I've said about "truth" in this whole thread(s)....who knows the real???? Maybe the chinese lab people do. We may not know exactly how the virus mutated from bats to humans and then from human to human.. but it did.. What we DO know is that it's certainly NOT the result of 5G technology, that silly theory has been debunked by REAL scientists and is being spread by quacks and wackos.
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Post by joymarty on Mar 2, 2020 18:00:39 GMT -5
I am a member of a pretty active yahoo group, 99% holistic in healing thinking and doing and one member says in talking to a nurse friend, this is what the friend says about all this virus hoopla.. (((Just got a message from a dear friend who is a head administrative nurse with alot of clout. She confirmed pretty much everything the group has concluded about the virus. (Except the 5G connection, which I have not brought up with her.) She especially believes in the efficacy of the intravenous Vit C to moderate the virus damage or even destroy the virus itself.. She is pretty disgusted by the hoopla also, but has to toe the medical line for her job. And she is also very suspicious of the recent vaccine release, even though she is not anti-vaccine per se. She said there have been 40,000 deaths and 41 million cases of the flu this year in the US alone , before the corona virus officially kicked in. I think she meant this flu season ( or maybe not) which according to the CDC runs from Oct 2019-Feb 2020 here is their link www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)Compared to the CDC data on over all flu deaths and infections in the past few months, the corona virus statistics are a miniscule drop in the bucket so far. I know we don't need outside 'medical' confirmation for our own conclusions or actions, but I have great respect for this lady and her opinion carries weight with me especially since I know her personally. It also helps me feel more confident when I am going directly against the medical mafia and trying to help others find some balance with all this.)))
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 2, 2020 18:53:46 GMT -5
Sorry JoyMarty, but you have just told us what a friend of yours was told by a friend of hers who she says is a head nurse. My daughter is a head nurse in a major Sydney hospital. If I told you that she said the opposite would you believe me? I'm guessing that you would not, and you would be correct in being sceptical.
There is a big difference between anecdotal accounts and scientific evidence, carefully arrived at by following the scientific method. When scientists tell us something important that is related to their field of expertise, then I am prepared to place my faith in that information until further information is available.
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Post by joymarty on Mar 2, 2020 19:22:07 GMT -5
Everyone has their beliefs and so many come from different places. I can imagine there are many nurses retired or not and some may use some "natural" remedies and some may not. But I have a hard time many not working to do healing without going to drugs. Even MD's, I'll bet there are many who use natural remedies and probably many who do not, again hard to "get that"...but I suppose however you are trained you will go that way, and many I'm sure go out of the "standard healing box"...
A very very good friend of mine is an RN retired but keeps her license in tact and uses mega amounts of "natural" remedies but does see allopathic MD for her heart issue that came on a couple yrs ago. She is a more defendable of allopathic medicine than me as she's in that field kinda. As I said an RN retired.
I'm not a great fan of all the scientific stuff tossed out but do trust so many who talk of their own experiences with natural healing. I have been OFF all allergy and sinus drugs for about 25 yrs and I know it's from taking Grape Seed Extract...this is anecdotal I guess...I don't support that drug world anymore/////
Oh and I have another friend who is a year or so older than me and she is an RN and her recent nursing jobs have been in Integrative Clinic here in L.A. She uses plenty of remedies and uses some pharma drugs for a few issues that have hit her. We've exchanged so much info in years of our friendship.
And your daughter chooses to believe what she believes...again her profession.She's not gonna not defend her bosses etc. Just sayin.
I've had a lot of damage done from drugs and surgery so I've developed a lot of distrust and so I tread very lightly and am open to any and all theories.
I could list at least 20some MD's who are absolute medical doctors and have gone on to advanced learning about more holistic healing. I have the list posted in another forum and it's only a partial list.
I guess this got on the way it has due to the different viewpoints of two nurses.
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 2, 2020 20:55:56 GMT -5
My daughter has not said a word. I was just attempting to show the difference between anecdotes and evidence. She may be the Nurse Unit Manager of a craniofacial dental unit but she is not a scientist. Her opinion, like that of your friend of a friend, carries little weight when talking about coronaviruses.
The words of qualified professionals with relevant expertise should carry more weight than your, my or a stranger's less informed opinion. When it come to something that could develop into a global pandemic such as the Spanish flu that killed millions worldwide after WW I we need to do what the experts in disease prevention are telling jus to do to keep the fatality rate as low as possible.
In Australia we are lucky that we are still in Summer and the regular flu season is still ahead of us. There is a lot of concern about the capacity of our hospital system to deal with an large epidemic that requires specialised treatment. Elective surgeries will probably need to be cancelled to free up beds. It would help if more people are immunised against flu and pneumonia too because the less people needing to be hospitalised the better. Hubby and I will get flu shots when they become available this year to do our bit to lessen the drain on the medical system. Our motivation is the same as when we had measles boosters before our great grand child was born. We take the shot not just for ourselves, but to help protect the community at large, including our loved ones.
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Post by joymarty on Mar 2, 2020 21:05:41 GMT -5
Again EVIDENCE!!!...there are so many EVIDENCES out there...it's unreal.
Professionals of qualified professionals should carry more weight? They don't know. There are how many of these professionals in the world?
--------------------------------------------------------------------- On another topic and I believe it was you who said you had great joint replacements, is that pretty true of most Australians. I had a horrid one of the hip and live in misery with it for going on 10 yrs...I know I'm not alone with my experience.
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 2, 2020 21:08:29 GMT -5
Evidence needs to be weighed. Some evidence is more solid that the rest.
When I first heard of the theory of drifting continents I could not take it in. It was at that time a new theory based on limited evidence. In the subsequent decades scientists from every field - physics, geology, paleontology and biology - gathered enormous amounts of data and all of the evidence was supportive of the notion that continents have slowly moved over the earth's crust caused by slow currents in the mantle, the layer just beneath the crust.
I now have a better idea of the origin of volcanoes and earthquakes and why my continent is as it is and why it is so different to North America, for example. The evidence is solid and the theory is useful, even if there is certainly more to yet be discovered.
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 2, 2020 21:27:36 GMT -5
I believe you. My husband has had a bad experience from his back surgery. My experiences have all been positive but none of this proves anything. Joint replacements are optional and we each take our chances, hoping that things will get better.
However, when it come to communicable diseases, it is not just about individuals. We owe something to our fellow countrymen and women to do our bit to help the medical profession to look after us. In the end, for the good of the many, some of us will be compelled to co-operate against our will if we decide to ignore advice. If quarantine is invoked, the power of law will enforce co-operation. If a vaccine does become available, mass vaccinations will occur.
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Post by joymarty on Mar 2, 2020 22:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by Warrigal on Mar 2, 2020 22:33:14 GMT -5
I have a pretty strong immune system but since I have not been in contact with this new virus, I don't imagine it will be any better than anyone else's should I become infected. I'm not prone to flu either, having only had it twice before in my life. However, if taking a flu shot helps to lighten the load on our hospitals if we do experience an epidemic, I am willing to take this precaution.
There is not enough time to strengthen everyone's immune system to make any difference and in any case, there are a lot of people whose immunity is compromised because they are undergoing life saving cancer therapies. We all need to consider whether our decisions could put their lives at risk.
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Post by joymarty on Mar 2, 2020 22:42:04 GMT -5
Well millions are not compromised with cancer therapies. And plenty fight cancers with higher doses of Vit C. They choose this way over chemo drugs. It's never to late to keep that immune system stronger for now and for ongoing.
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Post by birdgal on Mar 3, 2020 12:55:58 GMT -5
Many things we called nonsense years ago are facts today.
Does anyone on here believe those who sell us drugs really want us to get better? Put them out of business?
It's good and it's healthy to question authority instead of shutting up, falling in line and just following orders.
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Post by joymarty on Mar 3, 2020 13:11:31 GMT -5
Many things we called nonsense years ago are facts today. Does anyone on here believe those who sell us drugs really want us to get better? Put them out of business? It's good and it's healthy to question authority instead of shutting up, falling in line and just following orders. So my thinking since the last couple decades of my life. I believed early in my life that doctors were the great ones, not anymore. And true they need us to unhealthy and sick and need them and their drugs.
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Post by highlandannie on Mar 3, 2020 13:14:46 GMT -5
FFS! Just ran across this thread. 5G and coronavirus??!!!
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