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Post by Drifter on Feb 13, 2020 21:54:51 GMT -5
Alabama lawmaker proposes law forcing men to get a vasectomy at 50 in response to anti-abortion lawsAn Alabama state lawmaker proposed a law that would require men to get vasectomies within one month of turning 50 years old or once their third biological child is born in response to legislation banning abortion in the state. “Under existing law, there are no restrictions on the reproductive rights of men,” the bill’s synopsis reads."This bill would require a man to undergo a vasectomy within one month of his 50th birthday or the birth of his third biological child, whichever comes first." State Rep. Rolanda Hollis (D) introduced the legislation Thursday in response to an abortion bill passed by the state legislature last year that resulted in a near-total ban on abortion. “The vasectomy bill is to help with he reproductive system, and yes, it is to neutralize the abortion ban bill ... it always takes two to tango," she told Al.com. “We can’t put all the responsibility on women. Men need to be responsible also.” Men who satisfy the aforementioned requirements would have to pay for the procedure on their own, much how women in Alabama take on the bill of their reproductive health care needs. The abortion law passed last year would ban abortion in nearly all instances, and any doctor who performs an abortion would face felony charges and a sentence of up to 99 years in prison. However, the bill was blocked from taking effect in November by U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson, who found it unconstitutional. The Alabama Attorney General's office did not appeal the temporary injunction. thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/483065-alabama-lawmaker-proposes-law-forcing-men-to-get-a-vasectomy-at-50-in
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 22:45:37 GMT -5
Really? Men will never do that. Am anxious to see how far this bill will go.
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Post by nkat on Feb 13, 2020 22:54:47 GMT -5
Sounds good to me!
Nkat
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Post by Drifter on Feb 13, 2020 22:55:54 GMT -5
It's about time someone tries to put restriction on the male gender. After all, look how they try to control what females can and cannot do.
Most likely won't go anywhere, but it's a good thought!
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Post by notmydad on Feb 14, 2020 0:04:24 GMT -5
It demonstrates the absurdity of laws regulating women's reproductive health care needs. I doubt the Alabama Republican male is smart enough to figure it out.
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Post by ed on Feb 14, 2020 6:44:20 GMT -5
Good morning to all-
As a resident of the Great State of Alabama, I am offended by the statement that Alabama republicans are not smart enough to figure it out. hell, all politicians in Alabama are not smart enough to figure it out
But limiting this bill to 50 year old males seems counter productive to me. I mean it's good for the ego and self-opinion for most middle aged men to think that they'd get much of a chance at "activity", but to be effective, the bill really ought to be aimed at say, 18 year to 30 year old men.
Passing laws to limit access to health care- of any kind- is just the kind of garbage that the repubs and their "evangelical" supporters roll and gamble in.
Vote the garbage out- we can do better.
good day to all- Ed
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Post by robusta on Feb 14, 2020 8:46:30 GMT -5
I have no words!
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Post by 2old on Feb 14, 2020 9:13:44 GMT -5
Interesting. Visited with a young man I know, here, just last week. He and his wife have five children, ages 9 to 18. She decided she wanted another one. He had a vasectomy some years ago. Visited with a local surgeon. Reversal of the vasectomy was $12,000 with a 20% chance of success. Elective surgery so no insurance coverage. His wife found a clinic in Oklahoma that only does reversals. That surgeon divorced his first wife and remarried. They wanted to have children of their own, but he had undergone a vasectomy with his first wife. The surgeon found the reversal process unaffordable for so many... with many surgeons relatively unfamiliar with microsurgery. Went back to medical school and studied microsurgery. Opened the Oklahoma clinic.
The local couple headed down there. A couple tests and the surgeon told them $1,500 with a 90% chance of success. Super Bowl Sunday, his wife found she is pregnant. (Won't even get into the discussion of their ages and a newborn with their oldest being already 18.)
So... here's my proposal. If reversal is that simple, we require vasectomies at age 16. Once a couple can produce a marriage certificate... or a certified authorization signed by both man and woman... insurance will cover the $1,500 for a reversal. Should assist in prevention of many unwanted pregnancies in teenaged girls. Still would not wipe out the rape/incest issue. That needs handled with mandatory castration if a man is found guilty of such. If a man is charged with rape or incest, all 12 jurors should be female.
I have daughters and granddaughters. When I'm elected POTUS, the above will be signed into law!
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Post by notmydad on Feb 14, 2020 11:56:13 GMT -5
How about men of any age who have impregnated two or more women and abandoned them? Men who father three children is too vague. If they're raising and supporting them, they're not the problem.
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Post by birdgal on Feb 14, 2020 15:20:24 GMT -5
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I love uppity women and the men who support them! You go Rep Hollis!
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Post by birdgal on Feb 14, 2020 15:24:15 GMT -5
Drifter, I like your Valentine avatar!
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Post by birdgal on Feb 14, 2020 15:36:46 GMT -5
Ruby K, I like your Valentine avatar too!
Those little hearts are giving me a hankering for the little hot cinnamon hearts. It's too cold for me to go out and get some. Besides, tomorrow they'll be 50% off.
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Post by helen on Feb 14, 2020 16:06:05 GMT -5
2old, I like your mandatory vasectomy and free reversal with proof of your worthiness of fatherhood idea better than my own.
I was thinking along lines of the establishment of a universal DNA bank - mandatory contribution when established and then every male, at birth, contributes. Motherhood is easy to know at birth but no more assigning fatherhood by word of mouth. It is accurately established and recorded at birth by DNA.
Men should love this. Never any more fear of the phone call ... "Hello, I think you may be my Dad."
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Post by 2old on Feb 14, 2020 18:30:05 GMT -5
2old, I like your mandatory vasectomy and free reversal with proof of your worthiness of fatherhood idea better than my own. I was thinking along lines of the establishment of a universal DNA bank - mandatory contribution when established and then every male, at birth, contributes. Motherhood is easy to know at birth but no more assigning fatherhood by word of mouth. It is accurately established and recorded at birth by DNA. Men should love this. Never any more fear of the phone call ... "Hello, I think you may be my Dad." The DNA bank would prove fatherhood, but not prove the ability... or willingness... to support those fathered. Some years ago, a professional football player was killed in an auto accident. He was supporting 11 children by 7 different women. His entire estate was left to his mother. Even though a class action suit was filed, not one of the children could get hold of a single cent towards their ongoing support. There was something about how his agent and his mother had "invested" his money so even he would have had trouble getting his hands on it. The support for the children had been coming from his salary and when that stopped... so did the support. Courts can garnishee wages for child support. Yet, deadbeat dads can quit work and find cash employment. Or, if they have fathered a "litter" with multiple women, even working there is not enough money to provide adequate support. An alternative to the required vasectomy would be mandatory birth control implants in girls under age 21... or until legally married. Regardless, it is sad when we even have to visit about such means to an end. The GOP politicians seem to think it is okay for men to impregnate young girls. (Alabama, are you listening!) And, in cases of rape or incest, it is the fault of the female and, therefore, they should be forced to carry to term. I am not an advocate of abortion for birth control. However, I do not believe politicians should be passing legislation that restricts a woman's right to have a medical procedure to save her own life... to end a pregnancy caused by being raped... or to end a pregnancy caused by being assaulted by a family member. The alternative could possible be any such legislation be required to include funding enough for child care, education through college or trade school, and medical/dental/vision insurance until age 25. Politicians, however, will never do something like that because it's always the female's "fault" and life goes on.
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Post by birdgal on Feb 14, 2020 20:00:13 GMT -5
Or, women's groups can start some kind of sex education classes for girls and young women, and their parents, yes both of them, can take them to the classes.
Their parents can talk, talk, talk, to them about protecting themselves when having sex. Isn't that easier than going through the emotional horror and lifetime guilt of an abortion? Or,two? Or, having a child raise a child or two?
Look, as long as females are the ones who get pregnant this problem is a femnale problem, and females are going to have to deal with it. No if's, ands, or buts about it.
Girls and women have to take responsibility for their own lives and futures.
Women, please stop kidding yourselves that this is a problem for both partners. When both partners can carry a child come back and we will talk. Until then please encourage the girls and women in your lives to take control of their own lives each and every time they have sex. Use protection and you be in charge of it. If your guy doesn't like it say goodbye and find another guy. Keep looking until you find a true partner. Not just boy toy.
This is a woman's issue. How dare politicians create laws restricting women? Which, proves the point that it's a women's issue or they'd be creating laws for males.
Women, aren't you tired of this second class citizenship status yet?
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