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Post by 2old on Dec 29, 2019 18:57:05 GMT -5
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Dec 29, 2019 19:19:36 GMT -5
The new decade will begin 2021
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Post by highlandannie on Dec 29, 2019 20:27:51 GMT -5
It starts 2021. Many people were calling 2000 the 21st century but it didn't begin until 2001.
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Post by notmydad on Dec 29, 2019 23:13:30 GMT -5
2021
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Post by tnthomas on Dec 30, 2019 1:26:34 GMT -5
people...think the new decade begins January 1, 2020. In reality, it doesn't begin until January 1, 2021. Heard people say that, but I hadn't given much thought
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Post by rebecca2013 on Dec 30, 2019 4:31:58 GMT -5
2021.......Americans have such poor math skills!!!
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Post by 2old on Dec 30, 2019 7:06:19 GMT -5
2021.......Americans have such poor math skills!!! Don't know that I would blame it on math skills. Certainly, we see so many young folks who can't make change or do any sort of math in their heads. Things like processing historical data as to when a decade begins or ends... or even engage their brains in the damage a current administration is doing to their futures... is lost on playing the next level of some digital game on their phone. Upon retirement, I did some substitute teaching at a local Jobs Corp. Would get called in, regularly, to teach carpentry or plumbing or concrete basics. Asked the carpentry class what the dimensions of a 2 X 4 was. Not a one of them had been told... let alone even care... the actual dimensions are 1 1/2" X 3 1/2". In all three classes, I made up test sheets for converting feet to inches. How many feet in 96"? How many inches in 5'6"? Had about a dozen of those questions. Not one. NOT ONE could figure those out! They all tried to use calculators on their phones and, of course, would come up with decimals.... not feet or inches. When the instructor of each class returned, I asked why these kids weren't being taught to do some of this necessary math that would be required when they went job hunting. None seemed to be concerned. It was more about the numbers they could "graduate" than what those kids learned. Soon, thereafter, I resigned and have played golf since. There are no reasoning skills. There is no incentive to use your mind/brain. If you can't find it on your phone or Google... go on to something else. If reasoning skills are required for your job, let alone even showing up on time, shrug your shoulders and move on to the next job. Career construction workers I was around out in the field were better at math skills than many of the graduate engineers in our office!! Rant off...……..
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Post by louie on Dec 30, 2019 8:49:25 GMT -5
Well I guess I hadn't heard the One! But it sure does make sense.
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Post by helen on Dec 30, 2019 11:44:11 GMT -5
I don't mean to be rude but I think you gave a poor example. No amount of reasoning or knowledge will explain why a piece of lumber that measures 3 1/2 inches by 1 1/2 inches is known as a 2 X 4. If dimensions are given in anything we buy, we expect those dimensions to be accurate. Even more so when the dimensions are actually in its name.
I've always been a reasonably intelligent person but had never been involved in working with lumber. In the middle of a DIY job, Hubby sent me to lumber yard to buy two 2 X 4s. Hubs was an exacting person and - Wanting to avoid a trip back because I had bought the wrong thing - I pulled out a measuring tape to be certain that what I had was actually a 2 X 4.
Salesman, who fortunately was an old friend, saw me and ran over and said, "No, no. it won't measure that" and went on to explain that the chunk of wood had begun life one size but, due to sizing, shaping, etc. it now measured 3 1/2 X 1 1/2. I asked "Then why the hell isn't it sold as a 3 1/2 by 1/12? Also, asked if he measured everything he had by same ruler. He acted offender. Wonder why.
Otherwise, a good post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 11:46:46 GMT -5
I remember hearing that same discussion when we entered a new century. It hurts my brain to think about it.
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Post by nkat on Dec 30, 2019 12:15:05 GMT -5
After you explained it a one.
Nkat
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Post by highlandannie on Dec 30, 2019 20:11:43 GMT -5
I don't mean to be rude but I think you gave a poor example. No amount of reasoning or knowledge will explain why a piece of lumber that measures 3 1/2 inches by 1 1/2 inches is known as a 2 X 4. If dimensions are given in anything we buy, we expect those dimensions to be accurate. Even more so when the dimensions are actually in its name. I've always been a reasonably intelligent person but had never been involved in working with lumber. In the middle of a DIY job, Hubby sent me to lumber yard to buy two 2 X 4s. Hubs was an exacting person and - Wanting to avoid a trip back because I had bought the wrong thing - I pulled out a measuring tape to be certain that what I had was actually a 2 X 4. Salesman, who fortunately was an old friend, saw me and ran over and said, "No, no. it won't measure that" and went on to explain that the chunk of wood had begun life one size but, due to sizing, shaping, etc. it now measured 3 1/2 X 1 1/2. I asked "Then why the hell isn't it sold as a 3 1/2 by 1/12? Also, asked if he measured everything he had by same ruler. He acted offender. Wonder why. Otherwise, a good post. Told my husband that and he couldn't believe it. He said when the UK still used inches a 2 x 4 was 2 x 4.
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Post by TheSource on Jan 22, 2020 18:18:26 GMT -5
No amount of reasoning or knowledge will explain why a piece of lumber that measures 3 1/2 inches by 1 1/2 inches is known as a 2 X 4. You are correct for the dimensions of today's lumber. It is an industry standard. The rising cost(s) of harvesting, transporting and the value of the lumber futures at the market have played major roles in the logistics of the lumber industry over the years. In the late forties and early fifties, the traditional 2X4 began a 'downsizing' process across the industry a fraction of an inch at a time. Lumber mills were trying to get more yield out of a log and started sawing them to maximize the yield. This means that normally a log that would yield 60 2X4's was now being cut to yield 70-80 2X4's by sawing the boards just a little thinner. Plus the manufacturing of thinner but stronger saw blades also played a big part in minimizing the waste out of a typical log. Today, the 1 1/2 X 3 1/2 2X4 is standard and not likely to change in the foreseeable future. Lumber still comes in the standard lengths of 6ft., 8ft., 10ft., 12ft. and 16ft. lengths with the exception of economy grade 2X4's (slightly less than 1 1/2 X 3 1/2 that come in a length of 7 feet.
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Post by TheSource on Jan 22, 2020 18:26:46 GMT -5
the new decade begins January 1, 2020. The year starts on Jan. 1st. and ends on Dec. 31st.. That is year one in the decade. There are ten years in a decade and the new decade starts Jan. 1st. of the second decade. Soooooo with this in mind, I guess you could be right, but then again this late in the 2000+ years that have passed, what difference does it all make if one were to be a 'zero' or a 'one'?
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Post by helen on Jan 22, 2020 20:34:13 GMT -5
No amount of reasoning or knowledge will explain why a piece of lumber that measures 3 1/2 inches by 1 1/2 inches is known as a 2 X 4. You are correct for the dimensions of today's lumber. It is an industry standard. The rising cost(s) of harvesting, transporting and the value of the lumber futures at the market have played major roles in the logistics of the lumber industry over the years. In the late forties and early fifties, the traditional 2X4 began a 'downsizing' process across the industry a fraction of an inch at a time. Lumber mills were trying to get more yield out of a log and started sawing them to maximize the yield. This means that normally a log that would yield 60 2X4's was now being cut to yield 70-80 2X4's by sawing the boards just a little thinner. Plus the manufacturing of thinner but stronger saw blades also played a big part in minimizing the waste out of a typical log. Today, the 1 1/2 X 3 1/2 2X4 is standard and not likely to change in the foreseeable future. Lumber still comes in the standard lengths of 6ft., 8ft., 10ft., 12ft. and 16ft. lengths with the exception of economy grade 2X4's (slightly less than 1 1/2 X 3 1/2 that come in a length of 7 feet. So by that same reasoning, a gasoline retailer who buys 10,000 gallons of fuel should be allow to deliver 9.8 gallons of fuel for every 10 gallons bought because a portion of his 10,000 gallons left because of natural evaporation or sugar manufacturers could put 4.7 lbs. of sugar in a bag that says 5 lbs. because of the natural loss when packaging. It became 'industry standard' only because customers stopped actually measuring and the manufacturers all conspired by agreeing to all play the same game.
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