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Post by good4nothin on Aug 30, 2019 15:18:14 GMT -5
Obviously, no one should smoke. Every smoker has a choice of whether to continue destroying their health, or to stop.
But non-smokers don't always have a choice about whether to breath someone else's second hand smoke. This is especially true, where I live, inside apartment buildings.
Why is it fair for smokers to be able to make such an important health decision while non-smokers cannot?
I live in a supposedly smoke-free apartment building, but the managements doesn't seem to know how to enforce it. And since they aren't the ones suffering, why should they care?
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Post by 2old on Aug 30, 2019 16:36:09 GMT -5
Two packs/day for many years. Quit cold turkey in 1985. Hated second hand smoke. Too often, we non-smokers had to walk through the smoking section at restaurants to get to the "clean" section. I spent 2,000 nights in hotels during the last 14 years of my career. I always tried to find a smoke-free property. If I couldn't, I would make myself a real pest if a smoker invaded "my" non-smoking floor. I remember being given one room key at a major chain hotel. Non-smoking room. When I opened the door, the stale smoke smell was awful. I went back to the desk and asked for another room. The desk clerk got snotty and said she had given me a non-smoking room and would not move me!!! I was "gold" level with that chain and made one phone call. Spent the next two weeks in suite at my single room price.
Our community of 60,000 is now "smoke free". Of course, residences... including apartments... do not fall under that regulation. Makes it tough on non-smokers when people don't have the brains to respect another's space. Two of the guys in our "geezer" golf group smoke. One, cigarettes. The other, cigars. Both are extremely respectful of the others in the group. You seldom even know they are smoking. Of course, being outside does help.
Is there a local renter's advocacy group who could assist in mediating the issue? Sad to say, but you may be left with either living with the second hand smoke or finding a smoke free property to rent. And... that could be difficult.
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Post by good4nothin on Aug 30, 2019 17:34:17 GMT -5
Is there a local renter's advocacy group who could assist in mediating the issue? Sad to say, but you may be left with either living with the second hand smoke or finding a smoke free property to rent. And... that could be difficult. This is a smoke free property. I have contacted an organization that advocates for non-smokers. They said they are trying to contact the property manager. The property manager expects me to prove which tenant is smoking. When there is smoke in my apartment, I have to call the emergency line. The maintenance man, who barely speaks English, shows up to investigate. By that time the smoker may have left the building. I called the other night at 3 am and the maintenance guy would not go into her apartment to investigate. Even though her light was on, and I know it's her. If I move, I could get a similar situation in another smoke-free building. I've had this experience twice before. The woman at the smoke-free organization said they got lots of similar complaints. But nothing seems to get done. |
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Post by tnthomas on Aug 30, 2019 18:39:09 GMT -5
I live in a supposedly smoke-free apartment building, but the managements doesn't seem to know how to enforce it. And since they aren't the ones suffering, why should they care? Call the county health department? Or? I'm sure there is a municipal code.... I guess I'm fortunate, I only catch a wiff of second hand smoke every other blue moon. My neighborhood is spread out, nearest house is probably 200 yards away. |
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Post by 2old on Aug 30, 2019 19:18:55 GMT -5
www.psaproducts.com.au/products/9v-cigarette-detector/There are a number of cigarette smoke detectors on the market. Designed for restrooms, etc. where people will attempt to smoke in a non-smoking building. Tell your landlord you will purchase the alarm if he will install it in the hallway, somewhere near your neighbor's door. If she says she is not smoking, she shouldn't have an issue with it. The landlord is responsible for keeping the building non-smoking and you are assisting him in that task. After the alarm goes off and wakes tenants a couple times, perhaps the landlord will assist her finding another place to live.
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Post by formerlyme on Aug 30, 2019 20:35:17 GMT -5
I come from a family of smokers, parents and siblings included. However, I've been a lifelong non-smoker, and shudder to think of all the second-hand smoke I ingested as a child. My son has never smoked.
My apartment building bans smoking in all indoor public areas. Two outside spots, one in front and one in back of the building, each have a bench and butt receptacle provided. The only problem I ever had was years ago when I was getting marijuana fumes repeatedly from an adjacent apartment. I reported it; that tenant was soon gone.
Now that Canada has made marijuana use legal, my building management issued a rule of no smoking or growing of pot anywhere in the building, even in private apartments. Those who break the rule will be evicted. I'm fine with this! |
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Post by good4nothin on Aug 30, 2019 22:33:38 GMT -5
www.psaproducts.com.au/products/9v-cigarette-detector/There are a number of cigarette smoke detectors on the market. Designed for restrooms, etc. where people will attempt to smoke in a non-smoking building. Tell your landlord you will purchase the alarm if he will install it in the hallway, somewhere near your neighbor's door. If she says she is not smoking, she shouldn't have an issue with it. The landlord is responsible for keeping the building non-smoking and you are assisting him in that task. After the alarm goes off and wakes tenants a couple times, perhaps the landlord will assist her finding another place to live. I can't tell the landlord anything (actually it's the property manager). I have no reason to think he would do anything I ask. I know who is smoking. Everyone in this area knows she smokes. The manager expects me to prove it somehow. And he says I can't speak to the smoker directly. I have to go through the emergency line. |
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Post by good4nothin on Aug 30, 2019 22:41:14 GMT -5
I come from a family of smokers, parents and siblings included. However, I've been a lifelong non-smoker, and shudder to think of all the second-hand smoke I ingested as a child. My son has never smoked.
My apartment building bans smoking in all indoor public areas. Two outside spots, one in front and one in back of the building, each have a bench and butt receptacle provided. The only problem I ever had was years ago when I was getting marijuana fumes repeatedly from an adjacent apartment. I reported it; that tenant was soon gone.
Now that Canada has made marijuana use legal, my building management issued a rule of no smoking or growing of pot anywhere in the building, even in private apartments. Those who break the rule will be evicted. I'm fine with this! Smokers here used to smoke outside and it never bothered me. The new non-smoking policy caused them to hide inside and smoke. They allowed me to transfer from an apartment near smokers to another apartment right next to a chain smoker. It makes no sense at all. And the only way I can prove it to them is by calling the emergency line, and someone is supposed to come and investigate. But either they don't come, or they come and don't investigate. I have contacted the Tobacco Alliance Coalition in my area, and the person I spoke to is supposedly going to help me. But she has not been able to contact the property manager so far. |
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Post by good4nothin on Aug 31, 2019 8:08:49 GMT -5
www.psaproducts.com.au/products/9v-cigarette-detector/There are a number of cigarette smoke detectors on the market. Designed for restrooms, etc. where people will attempt to smoke in a non-smoking building. Tell your landlord you will purchase the alarm if he will install it in the hallway, somewhere near your neighbor's door. If she says she is not smoking, she shouldn't have an issue with it. The landlord is responsible for keeping the building non-smoking and you are assisting him in that task. After the alarm goes off and wakes tenants a couple times, perhaps the landlord will assist her finding another place to live. There is no price listed, and no way to order! And I could not find any cigarette smoke detectors anywhere else! Only smoke detectors show up. I did find one air quality measuring device. Would that work for cigarette smoke? I just want a way to prove to the apartment management that there is second hand smoke in my apartment. |
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