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Post by Warrigal on Jun 29, 2019 23:10:37 GMT -5
Yesterday, Saturday in Australia, hubby woke up with severe pain down his right leg. He had had a very bad night and could not bear the bedclothes to touch his skin. We decided to call an ambulance and rang 000, our version of 911.
I just had time to wash and quickly dress myself before the ambos arrived. They assessed the situation, administered some morphine and took him off to the nearest public hospital. I gathered some things - most recent (2014) medical history, medications, spectacles and dentures, shoes and socks - and followed in the car.
Since it was only about 7 am I was able to park quite close to the ED but already they were quite busy. It took some time to find him once I was allowed past the doors to Triage. Nothing much was happening for him since he was out of pain and others had more urgent need. I left and had a cup of coffee and something to eat at the café and when I returned he was being attended to but progress was slow. A sweet doctor, an American lass as it turned out, took a very detailed medical history and examination before ordering blood tests. He is Type 2 Diabetic and of interest was his blood sugar, uric acid levels and leucosytes, plus a whole lot more. Results ruled out infection and gout. An Xray was taken that showed no obvious fracture.
Mid morning he was moved from Triage to the Short Stay Unit and admitted. At this stage we were asked if he would like to be a private or a public patient. If we were to choose the latter there would be no charge under our universal healthcare system but equally, if we chose to utilise our health insurance, since we have top hospital cover, we would not be out of pocket. We chose the latter because it helps the hospital with their costs. I was rewarded with free parking for as long as needed and a voucher for coffee at the café.
While we were parked in SSU I observed a number of the other patients. There was one darling old man who looked like the geriatric Bilbo Baggins from LOTR. He was quite shrunken and it was easy to picture him as an elderly Hobbit. Whenever someone approached his bed he roused and greeted them with a lovely smile and a friendly "Hello". He never complained once. They were assessing him for dementia before admitting him to the geriatric ward. I was amused by his answer to the question "When did World War II end? His reply - "I don't know. It's never really ended, has it?" Then he wanted to talk about his life history and I heard that he was in Latvia during WWII.
The hospital seems to depend on people from all parts of the globe. Asian and African faces are quite common. Some are born in Australia but others are more recent immigrants. This is confusing for some of the older patients and for some, quite terrifying. I had an aunt like that. She did not want to be cared for in an intimate way by anyone with a brown skin. She was also an old maid and was very uncomfortable with male nurses. Male doctors were OK though.
With my aunt in mind, I wasn't too surprised by the screaming old lady who was wheeled in. She was in a state of extreme anxiety, possibly fear, and kept shrieking "Don't touch me!" and "Get away from me!", over and over. She wouldn't even accept a drink of water until all of the men and dark skinned people left the area. The poor old dear was like a frightened child, sobbing, calling out for blankets and becoming hysterical at all attempts to take her blood pressure. I felt sorry for the staff who were having such a difficult time trying to care for this old woman who had no-one she trusted to help calm her down. In the end they just let her be and she went to sleep.
Finally, after hubby had been served his second hospital meal for the day, the doctor, who was still on duty, came to explain that in her opinion the problem was nerve pain. The discharge letter was extremely detailed with regard to all of the tests and examinations and hubby is to see his GP on Tuesday for follow up treatment/medications. In the mean time he has some strong pain meds he can use.
A full day in the ED cost us nothing and even if we did not have health cover, it would still have cost nothing. This is how universal single payer health care works in conjunction with private health insurance. When we go to the GP it will cost nothing because he bulk bills Medicare, our universal scheme.
I wish Americans would look to the various schemes in other countries before deciding that single payer schemes are not functional. With the right planning and administration they are national assets.
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Post by joymarty on Jun 30, 2019 12:44:45 GMT -5
The huge difference in all this is for starters Australia has under 30million population and the U.S. struggles with about 300million. This alone has a huge factor in all the medical insurance issues. Glad you got out of the hospital free.
Had the U.S. started mega years ago like Australia, who knows how it would be today. But it didn't.
People who talk about all their "free" insurance don't look at the pictures...and it's not free as you pay for it thru taxes or other revenues. Your population is a drop in the bucket compared to the U.S. population!!!
I live in a state that has about 40million population, more and your country population.
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Post by smitty45 on Jun 30, 2019 14:03:55 GMT -5
In my country, USA,, I am all for national healthcare... BUT,,,,, unless the Government is not in charge of it it probably would work. Lets face the facts,,, the Governemt can not keep their sticky fingers out of anything.
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Post by joymarty on Jun 30, 2019 14:32:35 GMT -5
I don't think our govt is all that bad. I have been getting my S.S. check every month since I turned 62 and Medicare right on time since I turned 65.
Our govt does a LOT of good things for this very large populated country.
All the social programs have worked great in my almost 81 yrs.
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Post by nkat on Jun 30, 2019 15:15:02 GMT -5
I was at the ER for kidney stones two weeks ago. The bill was $7000, I was responsible for 90. I had blood work and a CT scan. My Advantage Plan paid.
nkat
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jun 30, 2019 15:16:16 GMT -5
In Taiwan EVERYONE has medical coverage everyone... it could happen everywhere here in USA except for greed
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Post by joymarty on Jun 30, 2019 16:16:53 GMT -5
And again, Taiwan has a population less than Australia.
The less people to insure COULD BE the easier to handle all this.
America has been throwing around insurance possibilities for years and tearing down our whole system would not be an easy venture.
And the crux of it all YES there is too much greed with prices of everything and especially health or should I say sick insurance in the U.S. We have a huge organization called pharma....and everyone wants a piece of the action.
Again so many millions here. We take care and feed so much of the world.
And the U.S. is a major capitalist country and I believe it to each his own but glut and greed I don't.
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Post by Warrigal on Jun 30, 2019 16:58:13 GMT -5
Responding to the issue of population - this is not the problem. Our Medicare system for all Australians is paid for, at least in part, by a 2% surcharge on our federal income tax. It only applies after a certain threshold which means that the very lowest paid are not asked to contribute. The more people that earn above that threshold, the better the scheme.
When this scheme was first proposed in Australia it was resisted by the medical profession who wanted to maintain fee for service and did not want health care nationalised like the UK system. Patients wanted to have their choice of doctor. The system was designed to satisfy both issues. Obviously any system that would work in US would have to be well designed for citizens who are covered now and want to stay that way and for those people who cannot afford health insurance. It should not be beyond the expertise of Americans to manage this, after all which country went from having not a single satellite in orbit in 1957 to landing men on the Moon in 1969? Such an achievement in just 12 years! Has America stopped being the can do country?
I see distrust of government as a bigger problem. Only with the buying power of the government will the rapaciousness of big pharma and health care for profit be kept under control. It is the buying power of the Australian government that allows our pharmaceutical benefit scheme to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies for lower prices for prescription drugs.
Nothing will ever happen if people keep looking for reasons why nothing can change. Nothing changes in one fell swoop either, except in the most disastrous way. That is why change needs to be incremental. Obamacare was just a start, not the finished product. Keep going.
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Post by tnthomas on Jun 30, 2019 21:04:11 GMT -5
I see distrust of government as a bigger problem. Only with the buying power of the government will the rapaciousness of big pharma and health care for profit be kept under control. Agreed. I shudder to think of Social Security & Medicare becoming "privatized", like the GOP would have it. Private enterprise has the 'stickiest' fingers of all when it comes to handling public funds. Health care needs to be regulated, like utility companies and Wall St.
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Post by Warrigal on Jul 1, 2019 0:37:27 GMT -5
By happenstance I just saw this tweet and the following replies
I bought insulin for my son in Canada today - over-the-counter, with no insurance. I paid $268 (USD) for insulin that would cost $4123 retail in the U.S. It's 15x more expensive in the U.S. 😡 Let's change this!
My goodness, in Australia it costs $16.50 and if you're on a pension $6.50 - you guys need Medicare
Under Australia's Medicare, as an essential medication, Novarapid is free for Australians with doctor's prescription. For OS visitors its $34.20 (about $25 US) Can't understand why US doesn't embrace a healthcare system like other advanced nations
It’s virtually free in New Zealand. The benefits of the government treating health care as a human right.
If you are a pensioner, disabled or unemployed I believe the max you pay for a prescription is $6.50 on the PBS (vast majority of drugs) I am not on benefits. I pay $38 for two needles that last 56 days True cost $2.022.00 Thanks Australia Finally, there is this very unkind one, country unknown but I suspect it is not an American
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