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Post by keith on Nov 20, 2018 8:16:13 GMT -5
Attachment DeletedThis is just one more reminder that we're in the greatest technical/social revolution ever envisioned. Between robotics, automation, and 3D printers...we'll have to reinvent the meaning of manual labor. This guy  said it all in 1970 with the book "Future Shock":
"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.
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"Knowledge is the most democratic source of power.
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"You've got to think about big things while you're doing small things, so that all the small things go in the right direction."
That second quote gives me fits. Between Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity, and Trump, we're in danger of losing our most valuable tool for information...a free and independent press. We need a Thomas Jefferson: "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." to deal with the fascists.
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Post by Warrigal on Nov 21, 2018 3:58:41 GMT -5
I really like this quote and would add that the learning need not be delivered by teachers or lecturers. We are all now capable of finding out what we need to know by doing our own searching for knowledge. What we really need is discernment to choose real knowledge from the mountains of rubbish out there.
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Post by keith on Nov 24, 2018 7:12:56 GMT -5
I really like this quote and would add that the learning need not be delivered by teachers or lecturers. We are all now capable of finding out what we need to know by doing our own searching for knowledge. What we really need is discernment to choose real knowledge from the mountains of rubbish out there. |
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Post by Warrigal on Nov 24, 2018 16:21:09 GMT -5
What do you mean by self actualisation?
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Post by keith on Nov 25, 2018 8:46:08 GMT -5
What do you mean by self actualisation? “Self-actualization” represents a concept derived from Humanistic psychological theory and, specifically, from the theory created by Abraham Maslow. Self-actualization, according to Maslow, represents growth of an individual toward fulfillment of the highest needs; those for meaning in life, in particular. Carl Rogers also created a theory implicating a “growth potential” whose aim was to integrate congruently the “real self” and the “ideal self” thereby cultivating the emergence of the “fully functioning person”.
This is Maslow's pyramid of needs:1. Physiological needs, such as needs for food, sleep and air. 2. Safety, or the needs for security and protection, especially those that emerge from social or political instability. 3. Belonging and love including, the needs of deficiency and selfish taking instead of giving, and unselfish love that is based upon growth rather than deficiency. 4. Needs for self-esteem, self-respect, and healthy, positive feelings derived from admiration. 5. And “being” needs concerning creative self-growth, engendered from fulfillment of potential and meaning in life. I studied this school of psychology, academically and personally. I found a link between Jung and Rogers which clarified Maslow's original theory. I expanded on it and have progressed but still fail to lock down #5...and time has become a very valuable commodity. |
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Post by Warrigal on Nov 26, 2018 3:08:01 GMT -5
Yes, I am familiar with Maslow's hierarchy. I think that by 74 years of age you must have achieved it, or you never will. I am 75.
Did you ever see the movie "the Last Emperor" about the last emperor of China ? The communists deposed him but did not kill him. In the end, he discovered meaning and contentment as a gardener. As emperor self actualisation escaped him. Self knowledge is an internal process that takes time and the right environment that allows for a degree of introspection. When we are terribly busy raising children and earning a living, the process is much harder, although not impossible.
I find these theories of hierarchy quite useful. As a teacher I had studied Piaget and Bruner as well as Maslow and Kohlberg. Another such structural/developmental theory I found very enlightening is James Fowler's "Stages of Faith". It was a doorway into understanding how people of the same faith (and of none) can seem to be thinking and behaving so differently. The characteristics of each stage are a function of maturity and development and as with Bruner's theory, some people do not rise far above the lower levels.
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Post by keith on Nov 26, 2018 7:24:04 GMT -5
Yes, I am familiar with Maslow's hierarchy. I think that by 74 years of age you must have achieved it, or you never will. I am 75. Did you ever see the movie "the Last Emperor" about the last emperor of China ? The communists deposed him but did not kill him. In the end, he discovered meaning and contentment as a gardener. As emperor self actualisation escaped him. Self knowledge is an internal process that takes time and the right environment that allows for a degree of introspection. When we are terribly busy raising children and earning a living, the process is much harder, although not impossible. I find these theories of hierarchy quite useful. As a teacher I had studied Piaget and Bruner as well as Maslow and Kohlberg. Another such structural/developmental theory I found very enlightening is James Fowler's "Stages of Faith". It was a doorway into understanding how people of the same faith (and of none) can seem to be thinking and behaving so differently. The characteristics of each stage are a function of maturity and development and as with Bruner's theory, some people do not rise far above the lower levels. You are obviously well versed in the discipline. I was only referring to a particular stage from a particular view (5. And “being” needs concerning creative self-growth, engendered from fulfillment of potential and meaning in life.). I expect I would not be satisfied with my growth under any circumstances. Thanks for trying to clarify my position "Self knowledge is an internal process that takes time and the right environment that allows for a degree of introspection. "...I had/have that environment and I know myself pretty well, guess I'm not overly pleased with my application of that knowledge in a practical sense. That's all I meant. Like the emperor, I find solace in the soil but unlike him...it doesn't fulfill my sense of accomplishment and you may be right... "I think that by 74 years of age you must have achieved it, or you never will. ". |
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Post by Warrigal on Nov 26, 2018 7:31:27 GMT -5
You are fine, Keith.
You are who you are, and you are unique.
Be comfortable with your authentic self.
Don't beat yourself up.
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Post by keith on Nov 26, 2018 7:37:19 GMT -5
Thanks...
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said it all in 1970 with the book "Future Shock":
