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Post by rosa427 on Sept 13, 2018 16:35:04 GMT -5
I'm growing more fond of this comedian day by day. NOT! d*mn clown. abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/puerto-rico-death-toll-trumps-conspiracy-theory-57801295 PUERTO RICO "Trump on Thursday rejected the official hurricane death toll in Puerto Rico, tweeting without evidence that "3,000 people did not die." "When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000," Trump tweeted a year after the island was devastated. Twelve minutes after the first tweet, Trump falsely blamed Democrats: "This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!" Puerto Rico's governor last month raised Maria's official death toll from 64 to 2,975 after an independent study found that the number of people who succumbed in the sweltering aftermath had been severely undercounted. Previous reports from the Puerto Rican government said the number was closer to 1,400. Researchers at the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University determined about 3,000 have died. Those that were hardest hit by the hurricane were the elderly and impoverished." www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45511865US President Donald Trump is disputing official findings that nearly 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico as a result of last year's storms. "3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico," Mr Trump wrote on Twitter, without offering evidence for the claim. He accused Democrats of inflating the official death toll to "make me look as bad as possible". The official figure was released last month after an independent study. On Thursday, Mr Trump tweeted that Democrats were attacking him "when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico".
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Sept 13, 2018 16:41:50 GMT -5
sick man... all I will say.... 5000 lies to date and growing....he need to go.... now!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 16:49:22 GMT -5
Swept away by the storm surge and drowned would be a legitimate storm related death. As would being crushed to death in your bed by a big assed tree that came down during the storm and crashed through your roof. Same goes for being decapitated by a flying piece of somebody's sheet metal roof. But "succumbed in the sweltering aftermath" that's a bit harder to determine which of those deaths was caused by the storm and which of them were going to die anyway in the sweltering tropical heat that is a part of everyday life in Puerto Rico storm or no storm.
I remember reading about this ice storm somewhere in the south and it was said that two people died in traffic accidents and those deaths were attributed to the ice storm. So I looked up the average number of traffic deaths in that state and it came to 6 a day. But during the day of the storm there were only 2. That's because most people stayed home instead of getting out on the roads. So in reality the storm saved 4 lives.
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Post by rosa427 on Sept 13, 2018 17:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Sept 13, 2018 17:20:26 GMT -5
Bottom line... People died there.... nearly 3000.... if idiot in Oval Office say nope only 18 died, then he fool... and anyone believe him is just as much fool as he is...
“A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion” Chinese proverb.
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Post by keith on Sept 13, 2018 17:41:36 GMT -5
....most people stayed home instead of getting out on the roads. So in reality the storm saved 4 lives. I must admit, there's a certain beauty to that logic....
But....that's an ice storm. If your home is floating downstream....you probably wouldn't want to be in it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 17:52:25 GMT -5
If your home is floating downstream....you probably wouldn't want to be in it. Obviously if you are wept away in the storm surge, or in your example by flood waters, that's a legitimate death. And if you died of disease due to a contaminated water supply because of the storm, that's legitimate. But I don't know what "succumbed in the sweltering aftermath"means. I would like to see a comparison of the number of deaths in Puerto Rico in the year after the storm with the number of deaths in Puerto Rico in a typical non storm year.
There is a whole lot of Trump derangement syndrome going on. And there are plenty of people trying just about anything to make him look bad. It's so bad that even I, a Socialist, am sometimes put in the position of defending Trump, a Republican for the sake of logic and reason.
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Post by rosa427 on Sept 13, 2018 18:10:17 GMT -5
There's a whole lot of derangement going on alright.
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Post by tnthomas on Sept 13, 2018 21:14:19 GMT -5
And there are plenty of people trying just about anything to make him look bad My God, he is his own worst enemy, evidently Trump has not heard the old saying:
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Post by keith on Sept 14, 2018 7:09:45 GMT -5
...if you are swept away in the storm surge, or in your example by flood waters, that's a legitimate death. (" But....that's an ice storm. If your home is floating downstream....you probably wouldn't want to be in it.") ...most people stayed home instead of getting out on the roads. So in reality the storm saved 4 lives.
...but I don't know what "succumbed in the sweltering aftermath"means. "I must admit, there's a certain beauty to that logic...." With that; I was trying to compliment your example of a storm being a positive thing...every yin has a yang.
As for "legitimate death and sweltering aftermath"...you're just as dead from overexposure or disease due to no electricity and no sanitation (for months) as you might be from a storm surge or flash flood.
Trumps main problem here is his inability to accept responsibility for anything that may have gone wrong while demanding accolades for inaction...according to government sponsored studies. As for his "derangement"...we may be confusing insanity with profound ignorance and egomania. I hate his kowtowing to our obvious enemy (Putin) and his disparagement of anything related to Obama.
I voted for Bernie in the primaries and I recognize the back stabbing behavior of the DNC (Debbie Wassermann Schultz) in that process. I think that, more than anything else...cost Hillary the election. I'm a moderate Toby. I'm sick to death of extremists (on both ends) and their asinine causes. I'll be voting Democrat because there is no realistic option in opposing Trump and his Republican apologists.
I hope nobody minds the color coding...I'm experimenting with methods for increasing coherence in written communications.
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Post by smitty45 on Sept 14, 2018 7:44:40 GMT -5
Trump is a heartless bast*rd. He does not live in reality. He lives in his world. I wish the Government would wake the hell up and rid us of him.
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Post by robusta on Sept 14, 2018 9:25:05 GMT -5
I will not stump for the trump, however the figures are probably exaggerated somewhat. From my understanding they took mortality figures from other similar time periods and any deaths exceeding the average were counted as hurricane deaths. If you are a Puerto Rican official looking for federal dollars, worst case scenario is always better. Puerto Rico being a possession is also different than a state. The government has more autonomy and is well known for being ineffective and inefficient. With out the feds declaring marshal law the Puerto Rican government is still the lead agency,and mainly responsible for the recovery. Cases of bottled water on a runway and relief supplies still in warehouses is certainly not trumps fault. Of course he is liable under "the buck stops here" theory, and his ham handed reactions don't help the optics any. but to lay 3000 lives at his door step is just wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 9:46:45 GMT -5
I'm a moderate Toby. I'm sick to death of extremists (on both ends) and their asinine causes.
I consider myself a moderate too. By any reasonable standards. If I lived in a reasonable country like Denmark I would probably be somewhere in the middle of the Political spectrum. But I don't. I live in the United States, a right wing extremist country. So that puts me in the far left.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 11:07:14 GMT -5
From my understanding they took mortality figures from other similar time periods and any deaths exceeding the average were counted as hurricane deaths. That approach seems pretty reasonable to me, at least for an estimate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 11:12:47 GMT -5
If you are a Puerto Rican official looking for federal dollars, worst case scenario is always better. Having worked for a State Government Agency for 31 years, I am very familiar with that game.
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