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Post by QuickSilver on Jul 22, 2018 16:28:44 GMT -5
I had reached out privately to him to say in essence, "Dude, why are you being such an asshol#?" It didn't do any good. I tried to tell him he'd be taken more seriously if he wasn't so nasty to folks who disagreed with him. Sometimes people get that way when they get old. He's 70.... not all that old.. I don't think people change when they get old.. If they are assholes when they are young.. they will be old assholes...
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Post by Sunkist on Jul 22, 2018 16:32:28 GMT -5
Maybe he's gone into his second childhood. Like this:
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Post by Bob on Jul 22, 2018 16:35:58 GMT -5
I had reached out privately to him to say in essence, "Dude, why are you being such an asshol#?" It didn't do any good. I tried to tell him he'd be taken more seriously if he wasn't so nasty to folks who disagreed with him. He was just nasty for nasty's sake... Loved being a classic bully... I truly believe we are better off without him.. and that's unfortunate.. because he did have a different point of view.. that was interesting and valid.. it's just that he would not allow anyone else to express their opinion without being insulting and resorting to personal attacks.. He is just a nasty guy IMO... It really is a shame, because it seems that some folks lack the ability to debate in a rationale and friendly way. As much as I may disagree with those that voted for Trump, I can understand why they thought it was the right choice. What I can't fathom though is the near blind loyalty to that disgusting bit of human protoplasm. I've never seen such venom on such a widespread basis. Same as the attacks on Obama and Hillary.
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jul 22, 2018 16:44:42 GMT -5
True Trump supporters seem blind to me.... they talk as if in different world and express fealty to Trump as if he King and will shout down Mr. Obama and crucify Hillary Clinton..... I have some Republican friends who cringe when you mention Trump... my friend across the lane from Rebecca is a federal judge.... he Republican but he very nice man and feels that Trump is a plague on democracy Not every Republican is so swayed by this foolish donkey in the White House..... but we can all just debate without name calling
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Post by tnthomas on Jul 22, 2018 17:08:17 GMT -5
What happened? I enjoy TT, and have been wondering where he has been. nkat I enjoyed TT's postings, but I personally feel that he took it too far, especially with the personal jabs at QS. I actually miss oldmontana too, yea- I would get after him for some of the canned rhetoric that he would regurgitate as facts. But, I did not wish him ill. The personal attacks because of political opinion is the reason several here left that "other" forum;
some(like myself) fought back against the attackers there, and got banned. We don't need attacks, healthy discussion of the issues(uh, it's called "takerefuge" here for a reason) can be
an intellectually stimulating pastime.
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Toby
Jul 22, 2018 17:29:42 GMT -5
Post by QuickSilver on Jul 22, 2018 17:29:42 GMT -5
What happened? I enjoy TT, and have been wondering where he has been. nkat I enjoyed TT's postings, but I personally feel that he took it too far, especially with the personal jabs at QS. I actually miss oldmontana too, yea- I would get after him for some of the canned rhetoric that he would regurgitate as facts. But, I did not wish him ill. The personal attacks because of political opinion is the reason several here left that "other" forum;
some(like myself) fought back against the attackers there, and got banned. We don't need attacks, healthy discussion of the issues(uh, it's called "takerefuge" here for a reason) can be
an intellectually stimulating pastime.
IMO.. this is what makes political debate so difficult.. when someone disagrees with someone's political views.. many times it's taken as a personal attack.. when it isn't.. I would not have minded if TT had simply disagreed with me politically.. but he actually DID carry it into personal attacks.. name calling... etc... So I reiterate.. I'm not putting up with him any longer.. and I'm not simply going to ignore him.. he has no understanding on what it means to debate without getting personal and obnoxious.
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Post by TheSource on Jul 22, 2018 17:31:14 GMT -5
Why did this song suddenly pop to mind?
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Post by nkat on Jul 22, 2018 17:47:03 GMT -5
I didn't enjoy being harassed.... and goaded into defending myself...I finally feel safe posting my opinion and debating.... you want him back? I'm gone.. I do not want you to leave either! nkat
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Post by QuickSilver on Jul 23, 2018 8:20:29 GMT -5
I didn't enjoy being harassed.... and goaded into defending myself...I finally feel safe posting my opinion and debating.... you want him back? I'm gone.. I do not want you to leave either! nkat and I don't want to... let's hope it doesn't come to that.. I enjoy posting and debating here..
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Post by Drifter on Jul 23, 2018 8:33:38 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to @tobytyler returning.
Issuing an ultimatum doesn't carry much weight around here. I agree with Fireheart :
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Toby
Jul 23, 2018 8:38:55 GMT -5
Post by QuickSilver on Jul 23, 2018 8:38:55 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to @tobytyler returning.
Issuing an ultimatum doesn't carry much weight around here. I agree with Fireheart :
Thanks.... guess you enjoyed it.. I didn't.
and by the way... it wasn't an ultimatum... it was a statement of fact.. If he comes back and leaves me alone and knocks off the personal demeaning attacks.. that's fine, he's entitled to his opinions ON THE ISSUES. If he continues to harass me.. I will leave... No drama.. it's not a hair flip... it's a what will happen... period.
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Post by Drifter on Jul 23, 2018 10:01:14 GMT -5
Thanks.... guess you enjoyed it.. I didn't. and by the way... it wasn't an ultimatum... it was a statement of fact.. If he comes back and leaves me alone and knocks off the personal demeaning attacks.. that's fine, he's entitled to his opinions ON THE ISSUES. If he continues to harass me.. I will leave... No drama.. it's not a hair flip... it's a what will happen... period. Yes...ON THE ISSUES! Remember that...go after THE ISSUES, not the poster. You're not innocent regarding that. Quit playing the victim card.
What will be will be...everyone can make their own decision about staying or going.
And, just remember...it was you that invited the members you now would like to see gone. How ironic! lol
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Post by helen on Jul 23, 2018 10:18:59 GMT -5
I visit internet discussion forums because I'm interested in the thoughts and opinions of others and enjoy discussing them, especially if they are different from my own. Good lively debate is stimulating to the brain. If we all thought alike, the world would be a very boring place.
I believe TT acts as he does because he has an aggressive personality and has no other place to safely exhibit it. Face to face conflict can be dangerous in today's world. Elderly bullies probably don't fare well in polite society.
Rude, repetitious speech and name calling often mean that a person has a limited vocabulary. I believe TT considers his actions as 'stirring the pot' and uses it as a way to get attention.
But I may be wrong .... I often am.
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Post by birdgal on Jul 23, 2018 12:33:20 GMT -5
He'll be back. He might have a different name but I believe he will be back.
The very first chat room I was on had a poster who went by the name of Bad Karma. He was too! I believe one or two people on here might even remember him. Bad Karma could have chewed Toby up, spit him out, and scattered his bones around town.
In the beginning I got along with Bad Karma. Till this day I'm not sure why. lol. One day he posted something about people walking across his lawn and he fired a few bullets over their heads! Their car broke down, or something like that, and they were from out of state. I strongly disagreed with him about shooting at people! He believed he was protecting his property from trespassers and from that day on he was on he was my sworn enemy.
He'd reply to every post I made with vile and nasty comments. Each and every time I posted! When one of my cats was sick and dying was not an exception. He was cruel and heartless. That was the last straw for me. I never, ever looked at anything he posted after that including any of his replies to me. He said some violent and disgusting things. But, I didn't have to look at them.
He was nothing but words on a screen and for my own sanity I had to SOB. He wasn't worth even a half a second of my time.
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Toby
Jul 23, 2018 12:46:42 GMT -5
Post by QuickSilver on Jul 23, 2018 12:46:42 GMT -5
Thanks.... guess you enjoyed it.. I didn't. and by the way... it wasn't an ultimatum... it was a statement of fact.. If he comes back and leaves me alone and knocks off the personal demeaning attacks.. that's fine, he's entitled to his opinions ON THE ISSUES. If he continues to harass me.. I will leave... No drama.. it's not a hair flip... it's a what will happen... period. Yes...ON THE ISSUES! Remember that...go after THE ISSUES, not the poster. You're not innocent regarding that. Quit playing the victim card.
What will be will be...everyone can make their own decision about staying or going.
And, just remember...it was you that invited the members you now would like to see gone. How ironic! lol
That I did Drifter ... Good lively debate is fun and exhilarating.. it's boring for everyone to think the same way.. I've said that many times.... Also SF is over moderated to the point of controlling... However.. I don't believe administrators should allow unbridled personal attacks such at Toby engaged in.
When I saw you were going to do NOTHING with him I tried many tactics... One was to go after him as relentlessly as he did me... that didn't work.. it only made him meaner... so I see where you get that I am as guilty as he was..but you are dead wrong.. and in fact doing a little victim blaming here... Then I tried ignoring him... that also didn't work... the minute I posted anything he attacked me... THEN I tried making a joke out of it.. that also encouraged him...and he stepped up his attacks..
So nothing I tried on my own worked..And now that I understand where you are coming from... I know you will continue to do nothing.. should he return and continue harassing me... That's fine.. That's your prerogative.. But I will leave if he comes back and starts attacking me again.. It's NOT playing the victim.. at all...
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