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Post by QuickSilver on Jun 18, 2018 12:12:11 GMT -5
No... because you have nowhere near scratched the surface of the truth... My living in Chicago doesn't make me a society matron.. anymore than you living in Alabama makes you a stupid hillbilly...……….oh... wait.. did I get to close?
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Post by knight on Jun 18, 2018 14:07:16 GMT -5
The news reports and CBO paint a dim picture of taxes being able to continue being able to support Soc. Sec. Given that taxes support social help programs too. What happens when Soc. Sec. & taxes get to the point of not being able to support sympathy? Will bleeding heart liberals sacrifice their own welfare to provide for those who suffer extreme hardships, disabilities or economic deprivations? Ther's plenty of money in this country to not only support social security, but increase it. There's also plenty of money to provide Medicare for all US CITIZENS. What is needed in this country is a good healthy dose of SOCIALISM. The virtually unfettered capitalistic system that we have is exactly like the old board game of Monopoly that we played as kids. And the object of that game is for one person to acquire all the wealth so that the remaining ones can no longer play. That's what we are headed for in this country. And when that happens it will be just like in Monopoly. Game over. Except that the have nots are not going to take it lying down. It would behoove the ruling class to get behind some socialistic reforms while they still can. It might well save their lives. Because when the game is over heads are going to roll. Their heads. Are saying we should mimic Venezuela. The caps on socialism sure makes it sound like you would embrace that way to live.
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Post by knight on Jun 18, 2018 14:07:41 GMT -5
emotion works for politicians that want to be LIKED. Enforcing the law leads to being disliked. This site combines info not part of the media blitz about separation of families. Don't bother to read it if understanding the basis for separation isn't what is important to you. The number of unaccompanied minors (also known as UACs) crossing the U.S.-Mexico border increased 90 percent between 2013 and 2014, drawing the attention and concern of the U.S. government, media, and public. MPI, which has deep expertise in migration trends and policies in the United States, Mexico, and Central America, is playing a key role explaining the dynamics and trends that have resulted in this spike in child migration. Here, you can find in one place a collection of relevant MPI resources, from analyses of trends and policy developments surrounding these flows of child migrants to data and country profiles of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, and recent MPI telebriefings and events to discuss the latest developments. www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/us-immigration-policy-program/rising-child-migration-united-statesRecognized before Trump became president. How unique a president following laws already in place is what the president is supposed to do. Previous presidents were ignoring the problem & only made it worse. One of the referances in the that web site is this. Unaccompanied Child Migration to the United States: The Tension between Protection and Prevention Between 2011 and 2014, the number of Central American unaccompanied children (UACs) and "family units"—parents traveling with young children—who arrived at the U.S.-Mexico border increased rapidly, reaching a peak of 137,000 in fiscal year 2014. While many of these migrants have valid claims for asylum or other forms of humanitarian relief, others are chiefly driven by economic concerns and a desire to reconnect with family members. This mixed flow has challenged the capacity of the United States to carry out its core immigration functions of preventing the admission of unauthorized immigrants while also providing protection to those who cannot be safely returned to their home countries.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:41:48 GMT -5
Ther's plenty of money in this country to not only support social security, but increase it. There's also plenty of money to provide Medicare for all US CITIZENS. What is needed in this country is a good healthy dose of SOCIALISM. The virtually unfettered capitalistic system that we have is exactly like the old board game of Monopoly that we played as kids. And the object of that game is for one person to acquire all the wealth so that the remaining ones can no longer play. That's what we are headed for in this country. And when that happens it will be just like in Monopoly. Game over. Except that the have nots are not going to take it lying down. It would behoove the ruling class to get behind some socialistic reforms while they still can. It might well save their lives. Because when the game is over heads are going to roll. Their heads. Are saying we should mimic Venezuela. The caps on socialism sure makes it sound like you would embrace that way to live. There you go again. You right wingers always want to cherry pick your examples. Socialism is working just fine in many many parts of the world. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, the UK, etc. etc. etc. We are the only developed country in the world that doesn't have Universal Single Payer. But you don't want to talk about that do you Knight? You just want to ferret around until you find some third world shithole to hold up as an example of Socialism. Well forget it. I've been wise to that right wing game forever.
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Post by ed on Jun 18, 2018 14:41:49 GMT -5
Good evening to all- If I may, I'd like to inject my thoughts on the whole situation we are trying to deal with as far as immigration goes. First, I have a very vested interest in protecting immigrants. My only two grandchildren are half immigrant. Their mother came here from India, and she has stayed to be a very, very productive resident. She's not a citizen because India will not allow dual citizenship, so any talk of deporting immigrants catches my attention. I spent last year living in Phoenix, Arizona, and I can assure everyone that that place and most places that are within a day's drive of the Mexican border would come to a total and screeching halt if the immigrants were no longer allowed to be here. Immigrants build the houses, and they clean the buildings, and they do all manner of jobs that "Americans" can't or won't do. And some of them, like my daughter in law, work in very high positions in major corporations and make crucial decisions that affect many, many people on a daily basis. And here on the Gulf Coast, immigrants do much of the commercial seafood catching and processing so the rest of us can eat our fresh shrimp and oysters. "Americans" won't do this kind of hard, dirty, difficult work. I accept that there are some very bad people who cross the border to come here and do evil things. But I also accept that the great, great majority of people who come here are coming for the same reason I would come if I were in their shoes. I would do whatever it took to protect my kids and family, and if that meant breaking a law some ignorant fat-assed politician- or group of the same- made out of ignorance and prejudice, then by God, I'd break that law. So, I would politely request that everyone who speaks of "the immigrant problem" should do a little research, and a lot of soul searching before you lump all immigrants in one pile and try to label them all as one thing. We NEED these hard working people. Good evening to all- Ed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:47:00 GMT -5
Good evening to all- If I may, I'd like to inject my thoughts on the whole situation we are trying to deal with as far as immigration goes. First, I have a very vested interest in protecting immigrants. My only two grandchildren are half immigrant. Their mother came here from India, and she has stayed to be a very, very productive resident. She's not a citizen because India will not allow dual citizenship, so any talk of deporting immigrants catches my attention. I spent last year living in Phoenix, Arizona, and I can assure everyone that that place and most places that are within a day's drive of the Mexican border would come to a total and screeching halt if the immigrants were no longer allowed to be here. Immigrants build the houses, and they clean the buildings, and they do all manner of jobs that "Americans" can't or won't do. And some of them, like my daughter in law, work in very high positions in major corporations and make crucial decisions that affect many, many people on a daily basis. And here on the Gulf Coast, immigrants do much of the commercial seafood catching and processing so the rest of us can eat our fresh shrimp and oysters. "Americans" won't do this kind of hard, dirty, difficult work. I accept that there are some very bad people who cross the border to come here and do evil things. But I also accept that the great, great majority of people who come here are coming for the same reason I would come if I were in their shoes. I would do whatever it took to protect my kids and family, and if that meant breaking a law some ignorant fat-assed politician- or group of the same- made out of ignorance and prejudice, then by God, I'd break that law. So, I would politely request that everyone who speaks of "the immigrant problem" should do a little research, and a lot of soul searching before you lump all immigrants in one pile and try to label them all as one thing. We NEED these hard working people. Good evening to all- Ed The only reason those hard working immigrants are willing to bust their asses doing dirty work for low wages is because they send most of their earnings back to the folks at home where an American dollar goes about 10 times as far as it does up here. So it's really not low wages to them, it's good money. And the fact that they work for such low wages definitely does depress wages for Americans that have to live here and pay American prices for everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:57:24 GMT -5
She's not a citizen because India will not allow dual citizenship God I wish it was that way here. I do not like the idea of dual citizenship. Half the Iraq War architects in the Bush Administration held dual US/Israeli citizenship and it was not to hard to see where their loyalties lied.
As for your grandchildren's mother, I'd say that if she wants to be an American, them she needs to give up her Indian citizenship and become an American citizen. If she is not willing to make that commitment to this country then she just has to live with the risk of being sent back. That's the choice she has made. She doesn't get to have her cake and eat it too.
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Post by ed on Jun 18, 2018 15:15:44 GMT -5
Toby- I will totally agree with your position that in this country, the problem is not that we don't have enough money to take of people. The problem is that the money is concentrated in the hands of too few- and they are not the sharing kind of people. Fewer and fewer people are getting more and more of the power, money, and influence. And that's not good, and it's not right. And as far as the immigrants depressing American wages because they'll work for less- hell, employers won't pay a cent more than they absolutely have to in order to keep good workers and encourage better performance. The wages are already depressed because company management wants them to be that way, and they want to keep wages low. As far as my daughter in law not getting to have her cake and eat it, too. Yep, I think she does get to do that. She's doing it. Her company, her family, and this country needs her here. If things get totally crazy here, I guess she'll have to decide. And Toby my friend, please don't be so quick to assume all things are the way you see them all of the time. There are lots of options in the world- despite tRump's efforts to make the world a nice, white, rich folks only place. good day to all- Ed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 15:21:16 GMT -5
Did I serve in the US military.... There's the one place I would ease up on citizenship. I believe anyone who serves at least three years honorably in the United States Military should be granted US Citizenship just by requesting it. No further requirements.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 15:27:03 GMT -5
And Toby my friend, please don't be so quick to assume all things are the way you see them all of the time. I'm an opinionated old coot Ed. And I like it that way.
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Post by tnthomas on Jun 18, 2018 15:27:18 GMT -5
You right wingers always want to cherry pick
Yeah if we keep all the immigrants out someone will have to pick not only the cherries, but the lettuce. apples, beans ,carrots....
However, I doubt that the right wingers will do as good a job...not-at-all I'm guessing.
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Post by QuickSilver on Jun 18, 2018 15:36:48 GMT -5
Did I serve in the US military.... There's the one place I would ease up on citizenship. I believe anyone who serves at least three years honorably in the United States Military should be granted US Citizenship just by requesting it. No further requirements. As much as it pains me... and believe me.. it REALLY pains me.. I'm going to have to agree with you on this. Don't look for that to happen very often.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 15:37:07 GMT -5
You right wingers always want to cherry pick
Yeah if we keep all the immigrants out someone will have to pick not only the cherries, but the lettuce. apples, beans ,carrots....
However, I doubt that the right wingers will do as good a job...not-at-all I'm guessing.
Back in High School in Florida one of my buddies got a job picking citrus. Even back in those days most of it was being done by Mexicans. Before the Mexicans it had been the blacks. My buddy's name was Jon Lavine. I mentioned him in one of my journal stories, He was the physical fitness fanatic who used to lift weights about three hours every day. Anyway Lavine lasted one day picking citrus. Apparently at the end of the day the foreman told him not to come back because he didn't pick enough. I haven't spoken to him since High School. But a couple of years ago I found him on facebook. I saw that he was a veteran but also a big fan of Sarah Palin. So I didn't try to connect with him.
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Post by tnthomas on Jun 18, 2018 15:40:10 GMT -5
Did I serve in the US military.... There's the one place I would ease up on citizenship. I believe anyone who serves at least three years honorably in the United States Military should be granted US Citizenship just by requesting it. No further requirements.
When I was in Basic Training in 1969 many of the E-6 & E-7 training cadre where...Guamanian I believe,
getting their citizenship through military service during and after WWII.
While we're on the subject- I've always thought a mandatory 2 year commitment in the military for all
youth after high school(no differments) would be beneficial in so many ways.
Instill a sense of responsibility, teach team/group interaction, gain ability to follow a structured
program, further education in life skills, etc. An added benefit: diversify the military
mind set. Today's military is all volunteer, have built-in hawkish attitudes. We need people in the
armed services that see the whole picture, not just the one spoon fed to them, as
prospective cannon fodder.
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Post by butterfly on Jun 19, 2018 0:50:16 GMT -5
I took it as a person living in this country. Not in the military over 18 born in the USA. NKat With this, I should of already been a citizen. If you born in the USA, you already were a citizen. Try taking it as if you were born elsewhere.
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