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Post by 2old on May 21, 2018 17:52:35 GMT -5
The murderer who just killed 10 in Texas has journalized that he wanted to kill students until he himself was also killed. Suicide by police... after killing innocents. After he saw the gore and agony he reigned on the students, he chickened out on the suicide part of the bargain. This is not the first one to kill innocents until they are shot down. So, this nightmare promoted by the NRA and swallowed by their minions that killers won't kill kids if they know teachers are armed is hogwash!!!! This kid may have been shot dead before he killed 10. Or, the rain of bullets from well meaning teachers could have taken another dozen innocent lives. This kid's father needs jailed for life. Firearms need to be kept from the hands of the mentally ill. (Trump rescinded the executive order from the most recent President that was beginning to do just that.) The incoming President of the NRA was indicted on 16 felony accounts and initially found convicted of 3. He was granted limited immunity for his testimony against others in the Iran-Contra affair. You break federal laws having to do with selling arms to fund rebels in other countries and you get to promote gun sales to anyone who can walk and breathe... not necessarily at the same time. "This is not the first one to kill innocents until they are shot down. So, this nightmare promoted by the NRA and swallowed by their minions that killers won't kill kids if they know teachers are armed is hogwash!!!! This kid may have been shot dead before he killed 10. Or, the rain of bullets from well meaning teachers could have taken another dozen innocent lives. " When you posted ..."So, this nightmare promoted by the NRA" you lost all credibility. Do not feel bad as there is a lot of that going on this board. Respectfully, sir, tell me where I am incorrect. The NRA has paid millions and millions into campaign funds and lobbying to "bribe" elected officials. They simply will not allow their "paid for" politicians the option of even bringing any firearm control issues to the floor of Congress. The NRA has pushed hard for and rec'd legislation in states to eliminate licensing and training for concealed carry permits. After the school killings in Florida, the NRA spokesperson called fellow classmates of the victims derogatory names. I understand there are thousands out there who have determined the NRA is some sort of grand organization with the sole mission of protecting the Second Amendment. I feel sorry for those who refuse to see through the smoke screen... the propaganda. Those who hold the NRA in high esteem are, in my opinion, contributory to much of the violence that shreds the fabric of our society on a daily basis. As I have stated on this discussion board, I once held a Federal Firearms License. My firearm collection included rifles, shotguns, and handguns... most that I reloaded ammunition for. I grew up on a farm and killed a lot of the meat we ate. I was a long-time member of the NRA and collected the American Rifleman magazines for years. Today's NRA is an entirely different organization. Back then, they were a valuable resource to the shooting and hunting sportsmen of this Great Country. They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life.
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Post by oldmontana on May 21, 2018 18:26:09 GMT -5
"This is not the first one to kill innocents until they are shot down. So, this nightmare promoted by the NRA and swallowed by their minions that killers won't kill kids if they know teachers are armed is hogwash!!!! This kid may have been shot dead before he killed 10. Or, the rain of bullets from well meaning teachers could have taken another dozen innocent lives. " When you posted ..."So, this nightmare promoted by the NRA" you lost all credibility. Do not feel bad as there is a lot of that going on this board. Respectfully, sir, tell me where I am incorrect. The NRA has paid millions and millions into campaign funds and lobbying to "bribe" elected officials. They simply will not allow their "paid for" politicians the option of even bringing any firearm control issues to the floor of Congress. The NRA has pushed hard for and rec'd legislation in states to eliminate licensing and training for concealed carry permits. After the school killings in Florida, the NRA spokesperson called fellow classmates of the victims derogatory names. I understand there are thousands out there who have determined the NRA is some sort of grand organization with the sole mission of protecting the Second Amendment. I feel sorry for those who refuse to see through the smoke screen... the propaganda. Those who hold the NRA in high esteem are, in my opinion, contributory to much of the violence that shreds the fabric of our society on a daily basis. As I have stated on this discussion board, I once held a Federal Firearms License. My firearm collection included rifles, shotguns, and handguns... most that I reloaded ammunition for. I grew up on a farm and killed a lot of the meat we ate. I was a long-time member of the NRA and collected the American Rifleman magazines for years. Today's NRA is an entirely different organization. Back then, they were a valuable resource to the shooting and hunting sportsmen of this Great Country. They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life. ============================================================ When you posted ..."So, this nightmare promoted by the NRA" you lost all credibility. Why is that so hard for you to understand...you like many blame the NRA for things they have nothing to do with...like a son getting hold of his dads guns. Then you post "They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life." O)MG!!!
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Post by Drifter on May 21, 2018 18:52:26 GMT -5
Why is that so hard for you to understand...you like many blame the NRA for things they have nothing to do with...like a son getting hold of his dads guns. Then you post "They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life." O)MG!!! IMO you are having a difficult time comprehending the NRA's involvement in politics.
2old is correct to state, "They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life."
oldmontana ... do you realize that the NRA does give money to politicians to support their (NRA's) agenda? The NRA does not want any gun control. When they give these politicians money for their campaigns, they expect them to stand with the NRA and to hell with what their constituents want. And, those politicians that do accept NRA money never support a bill for any type of gun control. That, my friend, is clear as a bell!
Are you against any type of gun control oldmontana ? Are the gun laws lax in your state?
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Post by oldmontana on May 22, 2018 8:17:20 GMT -5
Why is that so hard for you to understand...you like many blame the NRA for things they have nothing to do with...like a son getting hold of his dads guns. Then you post "They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life." O)MG!!! IMO you are having a difficult time comprehending the NRA's involvement in politics.
2old is correct to state, "They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life."
oldmontana ... do you realize that the NRA does give money to politicians to support their (NRA's) agenda? The NRA does not want any gun control. When they give these politicians money for their campaigns, they expect them to stand with the NRA and to hell with what their constituents want. And, those politicians that do accept NRA money never support a bill for any type of gun control. That, my friend, is clear as a bell!
Are you against any type of gun control oldmontana ? Are the gun laws lax in your state?
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Are you trying, like some posters, trying to make this thread about the NRA? Its not!
I do not appreciate the tone of your post were you are trying to make me out as ignorant about what NRA does. If you would read my posts you would know what the NRA is about.
You post "2old is correct to state, "They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life." That shows that you and 2old do not realize that the NRA does value human lives and does so with their gun safety programs. Yes, they have a political agenda just like an organization.
Now please tell me what you think about the subject of this thread.
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Post by nkat on May 22, 2018 9:26:39 GMT -5
The NRA does promote GUN safety. I was a member of the NRA about 50 years ago..and dropped my membership about 45 years ago. Today I do not agree with many things they want but the NRA is promoting their agenda just like an political party or business group does. I see nothing wrong with shooting sports..FYI.. Shooting sports have been included at every Summer Olympic Games since the birth of the modern Olympic movement at the 1896 Summer Olympics, except at the 1904 and 1928 games. Yes but this target practice would teach students not to kill each other in the crossfire. why does anyone need a club to own a rifle? A book club reads and discusses a current book. What does the NRA do at their meetings? Schools should not be allowed to take money from the NRA , but should have their courses paid for by the tax payers. When I hear NRA I think of a gun club that promotes guns that children get to kill others! I do not hear them enforcing strict gun rules to protect the public. This post is about a lax father letting a son take his guns to kill others! NRA against strict gun laws! NRA equals lax gun control! NKat
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Post by smitty45 on May 22, 2018 9:55:28 GMT -5
The NRA is all about guns guns and more guns and could not care less WHO and what type of gun can be purchased or traded.. Hell, if the NRA had it totally their way, no one would even have to register their gun or guns. IMO But, I can;t put all the blame on the NRA,,, People with guns who have kid, normal minded or otherwise,, need to lock their guns up in their private Fort Knox with a combination that ONLY the responsible knows, and not have some cheesy gun cabinet that even a simple screw driver could pry the door open. But, nothing we do will curb school shootings. It's the times we live in now. Society is phucked.
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Post by Drifter on May 22, 2018 10:29:38 GMT -5
Are you trying, like some posters, trying to make this thread about the NRA? Its not! I do not appreciate the tone of your post were you are trying to make me out as ignorant about what NRA does. If you would read my posts you would know what the NRA is about. You post "2old is correct to state, "They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life." That shows that you and 2old do not realize that the NRA does value human lives and does so with their gun safety programs. Yes, they have a political agenda just like an organization. Now please tell me what you think about the subject of this thread. Too bad that you misconstrued the tone of my post. I did not call or insinuate that you were ignorant...I was inquiring as to whether you did know what the NRA's involvement was in our politics; was inquiring if the gun laws in your state were lax and if you believed in any type of gun laws. (I'll wait for your response to those two questions.)
As for accusing me of trying to take this thread in a different direction and making it about the NRA...you are sorely wrong. The subjects go hand in hand, especially when the NRA funnels money to schools to promote their objective which is to keep and bear arms without any gun control.
I never have been a member of the NRA. Have no need to be. I also don't have a need to pay them $50 to attend one of their gun safety programs and listen to their propaganda.
As for Ed's original post that started this thread...He was a school teacher for 40 years. He's entitled to voice his opinion and be passionate about how he feels about these school massacres and about the Texas governor wanting to arm teachers.
I do not support arming teachers, be it mandatory or voluntarily. Teachers are there to teach, to educate our children. Knowing a teacher would be armed in a classroom would just be another worry for the parents. Anything is possible...a teacher could snap, they could have an adrenaline rush faced with a stressful situation and panic, a student could get their hands on their firearm, just to name some examples. Yes, I know....training....some people can be trained and others will find that they will panic put in a dangerous situation even though they are trained.
I hope my explanation on this subject is to your satisfaction.
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Post by oldmontana on May 22, 2018 17:40:49 GMT -5
Are you trying, like some posters, trying to make this thread about the NRA? Its not! I do not appreciate the tone of your post were you are trying to make me out as ignorant about what NRA does. If you would read my posts you would know what the NRA is about. You post "2old is correct to state, "They have, today, evolved into nothing but a political machine that values dollars over human life." That shows that you and 2old do not realize that the NRA does value human lives and does so with their gun safety programs. Yes, they have a political agenda just like an organization. Now please tell me what you think about the subject of this thread. Too bad that you misconstrued the tone of my post. I did not call or insinuate that you were ignorant...I was inquiring as to whether you did know what the NRA's involvement was in our politics; was inquiring if the gun laws in your state were lax and if you believed in any type of gun laws. (I'll wait for your response to those two questions.)
As for accusing me of trying to take this thread in a different direction and making it about the NRA...you are sorely wrong. The subjects go hand in hand, especially when the NRA funnels money to schools to promote their objective which is to keep and bear arms without any gun control.
I never have been a member of the NRA. Have no need to be. I also don't have a need to pay them $50 to attend one of their gun safety programs and listen to their propaganda.
As for Ed's original post that started this thread...He was a school teacher for 40 years. He's entitled to voice his opinion and be passionate about how he feels about these school massacres and about the Texas governor wanting to arm teachers.
I do not support arming teachers, be it mandatory or voluntarily. Teachers are there to teach, to educate our children. Knowing a teacher would be armed in a classroom would just be another worry for the parents. Anything is possible...a teacher could snap, they could have an adrenaline rush faced with a stressful situation and panic, a student could get their hands on their firearm, just to name some examples. Yes, I know....training....some people can be trained and others will find that they will panic put in a dangerous situation even though they are trained.
I hope my explanation on this subject is to your satisfaction. "I hope my explanation on this subject is to your satisfaction." Thanks I do understand. I have posted that I know that NRA like most groups are political and looking out for there members. As to what Ed posted, yes everyone is entitled to their opinion but not to post opinions as fact like he did. You are wrong about NRA not wanting any gun control...for one thing they want to make bump stocks illegal...there are other things they want to keep us safe. "was inquiring if the gun laws in your state were lax and if you believed in any type of gun laws" ... that depends on what you call lax. One thing I would change is to have gun checks at gun shows.
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Post by TheSource on May 22, 2018 17:43:48 GMT -5
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Post by oldmontana on May 22, 2018 17:49:06 GMT -5
The NRA is all about guns guns and more guns and could not care less WHO and what type of gun can be purchased or traded.. Hell, if the NRA had it totally their way, no one would even have to register their gun or guns. IMO But, I can;t put all the blame on the NRA,,, People with guns who have kid, normal minded or otherwise,, need to lock their guns up in their private Fort Knox with a combination that ONLY the responsible knows, and not have some cheesy gun cabinet that even a simple screw driver could pry the door open. But, nothing we do will curb school shootings. It's the times we live in now. Society is phucked. "But, nothing we do will curb school shootings" Wrong! There are many things we can do...like having metal detectors...like having more armed school police, etc., etc. Can we stop ALL school shootings...I do not think we can stop all shootings but we must try.
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Post by Drifter on May 22, 2018 18:47:13 GMT -5
Too bad that you misconstrued the tone of my post. I did not call or insinuate that you were ignorant...I was inquiring as to whether you did know what the NRA's involvement was in our politics; was inquiring if the gun laws in your state were lax and if you believed in any type of gun laws. (I'll wait for your response to those two questions.)
As for accusing me of trying to take this thread in a different direction and making it about the NRA...you are sorely wrong. The subjects go hand in hand, especially when the NRA funnels money to schools to promote their objective which is to keep and bear arms without any gun control.
I never have been a member of the NRA. Have no need to be. I also don't have a need to pay them $50 to attend one of their gun safety programs and listen to their propaganda.
As for Ed's original post that started this thread...He was a school teacher for 40 years. He's entitled to voice his opinion and be passionate about how he feels about these school massacres and about the Texas governor wanting to arm teachers.
I do not support arming teachers, be it mandatory or voluntarily. Teachers are there to teach, to educate our children. Knowing a teacher would be armed in a classroom would just be another worry for the parents. Anything is possible...a teacher could snap, they could have an adrenaline rush faced with a stressful situation and panic, a student could get their hands on their firearm, just to name some examples. Yes, I know....training....some people can be trained and others will find that they will panic put in a dangerous situation even though they are trained.
I hope my explanation on this subject is to your satisfaction. "I hope my explanation on this subject is to your satisfaction." Thanks I do understand. I have posted that I know that NRA like most groups are political and looking out for there members. As to what Ed posted, yes everyone is entitled to their opinion but not to post opinions as fact like he did. You are wrong about NRA not wanting any gun control...for one thing they want to make bump stocks illegal...there are other things they want to keep us safe. "was inquiring if the gun laws in your state were lax and if you believed in any type of gun laws" ... that depends on what you call lax. One thing I would change is to have gun checks at gun shows. Well, keeping an open mind and listening to what others have to say about this subject, I find enlightening and can respectfully understand where Ed is coming from with his post.
I can also chose to agree or disagree with someone without trying to change their mind too. I do hope that they would show me the same courtesy.
As for lax...I looked up Montana's gun laws...this is what was stated: Wouldn't universal gun laws be the way to go so ALL states were on the same page?
As for bump stocks...who really knew about them until the shooter used one in Nevada.
I wonder what your thoughts are about owning an AK-47 or an AR-15 and what purpose they would serve? Thoughts?
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Post by TheSource on May 22, 2018 19:06:03 GMT -5
There are many things we can do...like having metal detectors...like having more armed school police, etc., etc. This I agree with. The cost in millage would be minimal to us taxpayers if the cost were accessed to ALL those individuals living within school districts and not just property owners. Also there should be some federal funding available to help offset the cost. Can we stop ALL school shootings...I do not think we can stop all shootings but we must try. As a pro-gun rights individual, even I have to agree that there must be some method to curb the madness without too much infringement upon the second amendment.
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Post by Kady on May 22, 2018 19:59:43 GMT -5
I agree with 2old that the NRA has evolved into a political machine that only cares about making money.... January 18, 2018 05:00 AM Updated May 16, 2018 01:19 PM WASHINGTON The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy. FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said. It is illegal to use foreign money to influence federal elections. It’s unclear how long the Torshin inquiry has been ongoing, but the news comes as Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s sweeping investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election, including whether the Kremlin colluded with Trump’s campaign, has been heating up. www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html
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Post by Kady on May 24, 2018 17:50:37 GMT -5
Trump Opens Door For U.S. Gun Industry To Sell More Firearms Abroad Source: Huffington Post 05/24/2018 06:25 pm ET Senators and human rights groups worry the proposed rule changes will export the U.S. gun violence epidemic. By Travis Waldron and Nick Wing The Trump administration is forging ahead with a previously sidelined plan to allow U.S. gun manufacturers sell their products abroad more cheaply and easily. The proposed rule, published Thursday in the Federal Register, would shift control of U.S. firearm exports from the State Department to the Commerce Department, in a move the regulatory language said is aimed at reducing “procedural burdens and costs” on American gunmakers doing international business. The plan would also save the U.S. government money by simplifying the licensing process, according to the proposal. As a result, gun companies would likely be able to expand foreign sales of popular civilian firearms and accessories that have attracted controversy in the U.S. These include semi-automatic military-style guns like AR-15s, .50 caliber rifles, scopes and certain high-capacity ammunition magazines. Read more: www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-opens-door-us-gun-industry-sell-firearms-abroad_us_5b071e1ce4b0784cd2b2e65f
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