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Post by birdgal on Apr 6, 2018 19:27:57 GMT -5
And therefore she does. Easy peasy.
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Post by nkat on Apr 6, 2018 19:40:54 GMT -5
And therefore she does. Easy peasy. I do! nkat
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Post by notbob on Apr 7, 2018 1:21:23 GMT -5
I suspect he in fact, sees gray much better than most of us. Scientists study gray. There are all kinds of theories about "gray." Scientists are continually learning by discovering more and more information about gray. He doesn't only see in black and white, but black and white are things he best understands based on proven facts. Where gray is concerned, he strives to make it black and white with proof. Scientists are only interested in one thing - proof. Speculation and theories, while interesting, can't be the basis for any conclusions without proof. For scientists, a claim without proof is nothing more than a fantasy - or a theory. You believe in some sort of "creator/controller" you call God, or the Lord, but where's the proof? You said "no thanks" to a book that he suggested you read. Funny, I'd bet he's read much, if not all of the Bible. I think that you would loose that bet. He was raised with no religion. I baptized him at my kitchen sink, I did not want to take a chance. My sil is very intelligent but very set in his ways. He does know a lot of facts about the Catholic Religion from reading books. nkat To be honest I would be bored with his book with tons of facts. I do know the so called facts about the universe but I want to believe that there is so much more out there! This lifetime is too short to be stuck in a rut and ignore all the endless possibilities that the universe can hold! You don't seem to understand. Scientists aren't stuck in a rut. They continually expand their horizons by further exploring and better understanding the endless possibilities the Universe holds. They're not just sitting back and dreaming about endless possibilities while fantasizing about a perceived "truth," that cuts them off from learning about why things happen and have happened - things they can prove as in 2 + 2 = 4. They are actually learning why things happen and they're passing their knowledge on to the rest of us. We have the choice to believe it because it makes sense, or we can turn ourselves off to learning why things actually work the way they do. You and I have each made different choices and that's OK.
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Post by nkat on Apr 7, 2018 10:33:17 GMT -5
I think that you would loose that bet. He was raised with no religion. I baptized him at my kitchen sink, I did not want to take a chance. My sil is very intelligent but very set in his ways. He does know a lot of facts about the Catholic Religion from reading books. nkat To be honest I would be bored with his book with tons of facts. I do know the so called facts about the universe but I want to believe that there is so much more out there! This lifetime is too short to be stuck in a rut and ignore all the endless possibilities that the universe can hold! You don't seem to understand. Scientists aren't stuck in a rut. They continually expand their horizons by further exploring and better understanding the endless possibilities the Universe holds. They're not just sitting back and dreaming about endless possibilities while fantasizing about a perceived "truth," that cuts them off from learning about why things happen and have happened - things they can prove as in 2 + 2 = 4. They are actually learning why things happen and they're passing their knowledge on to the rest of us. We have the choice to believe it because it makes sense, or we can turn ourselves off to learning why things actually work the way they do. You and I have each made different choices and that's OK. I am saying that I do not want to be stuck in a rut not the scientists being stuck. Watched the History Channel last night about the possibility of ancient beings from other planets giving us more alien technology that is being kept secret from the public. Fascinating program! NKat
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Post by rjhangover on May 6, 2018 16:05:04 GMT -5
I watched this last night, Awesome! Da Vinci painted Jesus holding a Buddhist crystal orb.
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Post by smitty45 on May 7, 2018 10:16:08 GMT -5
You don't seem to understand. Scientists aren't stuck in a rut. They continually expand their horizons by further exploring and better understanding the endless possibilities the Universe holds. They're not just sitting back and dreaming about endless possibilities while fantasizing about a perceived "truth," that cuts them off from learning about why things happen and have happened - things they can prove as in 2 + 2 = 4. They are actually learning why things happen and they're passing their knowledge on to the rest of us. We have the choice to believe it because it makes sense, or we can turn ourselves off to learning why things actually work the way they do. You and I have each made different choices and that's OK. I am saying that I do not want to be stuck in a rut not the scientists being stuck. Watched the History Channel last night about the possibility of ancient beings from other planets giving us more alien technology that is being kept secret from the public. Fascinating program! NKat We have to wonder where things came from.. Mathematics, Science, Philosophy, Architecture, Agriculture,, ya know..
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Post by helen on May 7, 2018 12:31:45 GMT -5
I have faith and spirituality but on my own terms. My break from organized religion occurred many years ago. I had close (in-law status) relationships with two ministers - one Methodist, one Presbyterian, one church quite large, the other only slightly smaller.
Each man would preach divinely from the pulpit and piously manage their respective churches and parishioners but I saw that each lived morally corrupt personal lives. (Families see one another as we really are.) Religion was simply a cushy job for them. However, I do believe these men (though flawed) and their churches did serve a need. There are those who need a crutch to get through life and religion can be that.
I read the following somewhere and copied it because it so clearly states my own beliefs. Unfortunately, I did not make a note of the author.
"Faith does not require religion. Faith is a personal relationship with God (whatever your God may be). Religion is a creation of man. The whole purpose of religion is to control what you think, say and do as well as to separate you from your wealth. Each religion teaches you that their way is the only way and that adherence to any other religion is to be doomed."
Mankind would not have been gifted free will if we were not expected to use it. How we each use ours may be the ultimate test in the hereafter .... if there is one.
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Post by notbob on May 7, 2018 15:54:12 GMT -5
I am saying that I do not want to be stuck in a rut not the scientists being stuck. Watched the History Channel last night about the possibility of ancient beings from other planets giving us more alien technology that is being kept secret from the public. Fascinating program! NKat We have to wonder where things came from.. Mathematics, Science, Philosophy, Architecture, Agriculture,, ya know.. First, why do you need an immediate answer to your questions regarding where things came from? Mathematics wasn't invented or created. Architecture came about because of mathematic and scientific discoveries. It was discovered. It has always been here. 2 + 2 has always equaled 4. Science and mathematics have always been here but we humans embark on scientific discovery - to learn about science. It wasn't invented or created and certainly, we are smart enough to have come up with these concepts on our own without the help of aliens although the possibility that aliens visited us is far easier to believe than the existence of "God." Philosophy, architecture, agriculture are all just human endeavors. Why would you accept that an invisible being simply created these things out of thin air, or that we required aliens to teach us these things? Those concepts are about as absurd as they can be so why would anyone accept either without proof? Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. As I've said before, if science comes to the conclusion that everything in our world and beyond was created by "God," or we were brought here by aliens, or we were taught vital information by aliens, and has proof to back up its findings, I will then accept the existence of God or aliens, but I doubt very much that will ever happen. To be clear, I expect no more from religion than I do from science. If I am to believe something - especially something so absurd as "creation," I simply must have proof. I am happier not knowing the answers than I would be believing in things that can't be proven.
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Post by nkat on May 7, 2018 21:41:40 GMT -5
Stone Hedge, Pyramids, Nazca Lines in Southern Peru., no reasonable explanation here.
nkat
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Post by notbob on May 7, 2018 22:53:54 GMT -5
Stone Hedge, Pyramids, Nazca Lines in Southern Peru., no reasonable explanation here. nkat How do you know there's no reasonable explanation, because no one has discovered the answers yet? Maybe they will discover answers to those questions...maybe not. I am certain in my own mind, they aren't due to a super natural power. I believe there is a reasonable explanation...for everything. The Universe has always been full of unanswered questions and it always will be, but some of those questions, we've discovered answers to...and we continually answer questions that at one point in time, we had no answers for. For example: As a matter of fact, the Earth isn't the center of the Universe...and it IS round, not flat. I believe everything has a reasonable explanation. Just because we haven't found the answer yet doesn't mean a reasonable explanation doesn't exist - reasonable meaning provable. We are constantly learning. That's what we do. How cool is that?
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