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Post by notbob on Mar 23, 2018 15:07:29 GMT -5
The question doesn't make sense because we know that energy can't be created nor destroyed. If you're looking for how we know that, you might want to ask a physicist. We can state that here on planet Earth but what about the rules in other galaxies? Maybe some other alien race found out how to create and destroy energy. So far man has very limited knowledge of other galaxies. nkat Glad you're thinking about it but there are physical laws that are universal however, I'm not a physicist so if you're really looking for the correct answer, ask a physicist. I'm sure a physicist can explain precisely why energy can neither be created nor destroyed and why science considers it to be a universal law.
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Post by TheSource on Mar 23, 2018 21:20:29 GMT -5
I have always said that I’m not afraid of dying. That’s the easy part.
It’s the leaving of this thing we call “life” that I’m afraid of.
I'm not afraid of dying and I'm not afraid of leaving life. I have no reason to be afraid of it because I believe there is no "life" after death so there is no heaven nor hell. There is no decision making as to which direction I will go - nothing to be apprehensive about. I will die, become worm food, and the cycle will continue in part because I existed. What I fear however, is an extended period of physical pain prior to death. A sudden heart attack or stroke, a severe accident, a bullet in the head - all nice, quick, relatively pain free ways to die. Such a macabre way of looking at things, but in all honesty, I agree. Why sugar coat it. I do respect your beliefs on what happens to us at the time of our deaths but with me, it's my belief in an afterlife that keeps me going.
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Post by nkat on Mar 23, 2018 22:35:08 GMT -5
So since you say energy can not be destroyed, what happens to your energy when you die?
nkat
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Post by notbob on Mar 24, 2018 13:27:02 GMT -5
I'm not afraid of dying and I'm not afraid of leaving life. I have no reason to be afraid of it because I believe there is no "life" after death so there is no heaven nor hell. There is no decision making as to which direction I will go - nothing to be apprehensive about. I will die, become worm food, and the cycle will continue in part because I existed. What I fear however, is an extended period of physical pain prior to death. A sudden heart attack or stroke, a severe accident, a bullet in the head - all nice, quick, relatively pain free ways to die. Such a macabre way of looking at things, but in all honesty, I agree. Why sugar coat it. I do respect your beliefs on what happens to us at the time of our deaths but with me, it's my belief in an afterlife that keeps me going. You can see my way of thinking as macabre, but as I see it, we are each a minuscule part of the Universe. Within the scheme of the Universe, it doesn't matter who we are. It doesn't matter how good or bad we are, how educated we are, our physical or mental state, or whether or not we believe in deities. It doesn't matter how fast or luxurious our cars are, how tall we build buildings or whether or not we achieve interstellar travel. The insignificance of any one of us compared to the Earth pales in comparison to the insignificance of the Earth compared to the Universe - or even to our own galaxy, but as insignificant as we each are, we are still part of everything. I take solace in that, knowing that by becoming worm food, I am part of a much larger cycle. The way I see it, what could be more beautiful than that?
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Post by notbob on Mar 24, 2018 13:53:45 GMT -5
So since you say energy can not be destroyed, what happens to your energy when you die?
nkat Good question, but it's not I who says energy cannot be created nor destroyed. That comes from people who are way smarter and way more educated than I...and I dare say, probably much smarter and better educated than you. But in answer to your question, heat is energy. Your body stores heat and when you die that heat is released into the atmosphere. Once released, it's virtually immeasurable such as a drop of water released into the ocean. Your body still holds energy however. Your body is full of nutrients that can fertilize the earth or feed other animals. That's energy. If that is sealed in an airtight, waterproof coffin, I don't know what becomes of it, but if you'd like a more technical explanation, again, talk to someone who is smarter and better educated than I or yourself. Talk to a physicist.
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Post by rjhangover on Mar 24, 2018 14:34:59 GMT -5
Just wondering if you read the Holographic Universe? Your summation? Apologies for the lag time.
Yes, I have explored about 95% of the links and have done some rather extensive reading concerning the subject. Most of the links had pretty much the same thing to say with little difference in opinion, but nonetheless, I actively explored and read to garner more information to add to my own and expand my thoughts and opinions about plausible alternatives as to why we as a species may have come about and why we are here as the seemingly dominant intelligence on our planet.
Putting aside my personal belief in God for a moment, my thoughts are that it would take an inordinate and impossible amount of resources by an alien species to maintain such an elaborate matrix that hosts, to date, almost eight billion consciences simultaneously. Though possible (by things we couldn't begin to understand yet), as all things are, highly improbable.
The first question(s) that come to mind are "Why?" and "For what purpose?". Was our planet and all life that we perceive created in a programmers laboratory somewhere in the vast cosmos and created solely for the amusement of some alien to be played out like a simple video game? Nah. Don't think so.
For one thing, as a 'human', I experience 'emotions'. Emotions like pleasure, pain, happiness, sadness, joy, anger and all other emotions in between. How would you (or an alien) program something as complex as emotions? And even further, associate an emotion with each engram? We, as biological machines, have intelligence that lets us grow and learn from certain stimuli within our surroundings. Curiosity fuels that thirst for knowledge and therefore allows us to interact and experience and interpret the emotions that arise with each new situation we encounter. Pretty hard to program a 'feeling'.
Another thing is the fact that I am able to make a choice(es). I 'choose' to do this or that. My intelligence allows me to weigh each of the possible outcomes of each choice before I make them therefore 'feeling' predisposed to making choices that are right for me. As a child, I was taught right from wrong. That knowledge has enabled me to make choices that would benefit me far from what some alien thinks I should have done or would do. One could, in essence and theory, program a computer to predict every possible and conceivable outcome of every possible and conceivable scenario/situation, but the major factor lacking would be programming a computer to react to the 'unpredictable' as we humans tend to demonstrate every single day in every possible way.
If we do live in a holographic universe, then why does it seem that the 'experiment' is predestined and doomed to fail? Any rational scientist (alien or otherwise) would surely want their experiment to succeed beyond all hopes and expectations. Do you not agree?
Moving further on, I have experienced certain situations in my past that have called for me to react rather quickly. In these situations, I have perceived time as slowing down. This phenomenon has allowed me to react with critical swiftness in thinking and reaction. You could call what I have experienced a "temporal illusion" of sorts. How would a being program such an event to be experienced? In the movie 'The Matrix', it was simple camera tricks and digital manipulation, but could it be programmed on a large enough scale to be incorporated into such a complex organism such as a human?
Lastly, if we were living in a complex hologram, wouldn't it make sense to program the occupants without a sense of self awareness and questionability about their surroundings? Wow! That's a lot of questions, that would take a long long time to answer. So my suggestion is to go here.... ...and if you click on the title in the top left, you can check many more videos. When you get there with your pack on your back, everyone gives you a hug, and says "Welcome home." And you know you are, and wonder why it took so long to get here.
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Post by rjhangover on Mar 24, 2018 14:39:12 GMT -5
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Post by notbob on Mar 24, 2018 17:55:17 GMT -5
I'm not afraid of dying and I'm not afraid of leaving life. I have no reason to be afraid of it because I believe there is no "life" after death so there is no heaven nor hell. There is no decision making as to which direction I will go - nothing to be apprehensive about. I will die, become worm food, and the cycle will continue in part because I existed. What I fear however, is an extended period of physical pain prior to death. A sudden heart attack or stroke, a severe accident, a bullet in the head - all nice, quick, relatively pain free ways to die. Such a macabre way of looking at things, but in all honesty, I agree. Why sugar coat it. I do respect your beliefs on what happens to us at the time of our deaths but with me, it's my belief in an afterlife that keeps me going. TheSource, The Universe has billions of stars, many more planets and moons. Then there are asteroids, comets, and other space debris. Those numbers alone are impossible to comprehend but we're just getting started. Now let's try to calculate how many molecules, atoms, particles and sub particles there are. Obviously that's completely beyond the realm of human capability in part because we don't even know exactly how many stars there are let alone have the ability to calculate other variables such as the density of these objects. Most Christians believe in infinity, but infinity isn't just never ending. It never began. My point being, if there is no God, there is no afterlife or at least, I can see no reason to believe there would be an afterlife. Here is a graphic that helps to put things into perspective and just how incomprehensible the numbers are. htwins.net/scale2/?bordercolor=white
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Post by nkat on Mar 24, 2018 22:03:40 GMT -5
So since you say energy can not be destroyed, what happens to your energy when you die?
nkat Good question, but it's not I who says energy cannot be created nor destroyed. That comes from people who are way smarter and way more educated than I...and I dare say, probably much smarter and better educated than you. But in answer to your question, heat is energy. Your body stores heat and when you die that heat is released into the atmosphere. Once released, it's virtually immeasurable such as a drop of water released into the ocean. Your body still holds energy however. Your body is full of nutrients that can fertilize the earth or feed other animals. That's energy. If that is sealed in an airtight, waterproof coffin, I don't know what becomes of it, but if you'd like a more technical explanation, again, talk to someone who is smarter and better educated than I or yourself. Talk to a physicist. I do know a physicist but I may not believe him. I guess I watch too much sci-fi. Lol I think that I consider a human's energy their soul! I am not even that religious but have seen pics where they have captured the soul leaving the body. I think you sell yourself short, notbob, you seem pretty darn smart to me. nkat
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Post by notbob on Mar 24, 2018 23:07:42 GMT -5
Good question, but it's not I who says energy cannot be created nor destroyed. That comes from people who are way smarter and way more educated than I...and I dare say, probably much smarter and better educated than you. But in answer to your question, heat is energy. Your body stores heat and when you die that heat is released into the atmosphere. Once released, it's virtually immeasurable such as a drop of water released into the ocean. Your body still holds energy however. Your body is full of nutrients that can fertilize the earth or feed other animals. That's energy. If that is sealed in an airtight, waterproof coffin, I don't know what becomes of it, but if you'd like a more technical explanation, again, talk to someone who is smarter and better educated than I or yourself. Talk to a physicist. I do know a physicist but I may not believe him. I guess I watch too much sci-fi. Lol I think that I consider a human's energy their soul! I am not even that religious but have seen pics where they have captured the soul leaving the body. I think you sell yourself short, notbob, you seem pretty darn smart to me. nkat Thanks nkat. I'm really not selling myself short. I know how smart I am, and I know how smart I'm not. People who are much smarter than I and/or better educated than I where science is concerned are the ones I want to pay attention to - listen to. Many of them are extremely passionate about their work and they continually work to learn more. No, they're not always right, but they understand the laws of physics far better than I. They know things because they've proven them to be accurate in the same way we know 2 + 2 = 4. No matter how many times we add 2 + 2, the answer will always be 4. It's a constant. Scientists are people I learn from. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with watching sci-fi. Just remember, it's science FICTION. I've also seen pics with a cloud or ghost-like image leaving a body. I don't have an answer, but I believe there's a scientific answer that would explain it. Understand, if the scientific community came up with the conclusion that there is in fact a God based on scientific evidence, I would then accept that there is a God. I'm just convinced that will never happen - not because the scientific community has anything against God, but they require proof just as I do. My belief is that the scientific community will never be able to prove there is a God, but they can already prove all kinds of things we didn't know five years ago - even a year ago - yesterday. There are always new discoveries - like gravitational waves, and the fact that they now believe that at the center of every galaxy is a black hole. Their findings are based on hard facts - constants, like 2 + 2 = 4. These things have been theorized for years but we now have the technology to gather enough accurate data to conclude the findings are accurate. Members of the scientific community are always looking for flaws in other's discoveries. They're continually critiquing each other's work and many of them live their work. Learning about scientists better figuring out how things work is the way toward accurate answers as opposed to simply having faith that something absolutely unbelievable and un-provable kind of magically happened by the will of an unseen entity. One is working passionately to find accurate information while the other is convinced it has all the answers - answers that don't hold up to scientific scrutiny. Lol...so now you have my entire reasoning when it comes to religious beliefs. In a weird sort of way, human's energy is their soul. It perpetuates the cycle. What's more beautiful than that?
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Post by TheSource on Mar 25, 2018 18:08:22 GMT -5
When you get there with your pack on your back, everyone gives you a hug, and says "Welcome home." A truly magical gathering in the sense that I saw no selfishness or self-centeredness. Unlike the world they have stepped away from temporarily, all I saw was peace and harmony and a people willing to embrace others without prejudice against looks, color, ethnic background, etc.. I just wish that more people would behave for the good of all instead of the 'all for me and none for you' attitude that I see more and more.
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Post by TheSource on Apr 3, 2018 22:01:24 GMT -5
The Universe has billions of stars, many more planets and moons. .... Thank you notbob. I have seen this before and do realize our seemingly insignificant existence in this vast and endless universe that we perceive. However, that insignificance does not deter me in my belief of a higher power and an afterlife one bit and hope that I (we) are not alone in the cosmos. That insignificance does reinforce my belief that I (we) are part of something more grand than we could ever imagine. I do believe however that there is a reason, other than what science has taught us, that there are great distances between the stars in the heavens.
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Post by nkat on Apr 5, 2018 9:52:50 GMT -5
Notbob I did have Easter dinner with a physicist and he told me anything is possible in the vast unknown. My sil butted in and told me he had a book that I could read that backed up the current theory. Told him no thanks! He only sees black and white and no gray.
NKat
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Post by notbob on Apr 6, 2018 2:17:22 GMT -5
Notbob I did have Easter dinner with a physicist and he told me anything is possible in the vast unknown. My sil butted in and told me he had a book that I could read that backed up the current theory. Told him no thanks! He only sees black and white and no gray. NKat I suspect he in fact, sees gray much better than most of us. Scientists study gray. There are all kinds of theories about "gray." Scientists are continually learning by discovering more and more information about gray. He doesn't only see in black and white, but black and white are things he best understands based on proven facts. Where gray is concerned, he strives to make it black and white with proof. Scientists are only interested in one thing - proof. Speculation and theories, while interesting, can't be the basis for any conclusions without proof. For scientists, a claim without proof is nothing more than a fantasy - or a theory. You believe in some sort of "creator/controller" you call God, or the Lord, but where's the proof? You said "no thanks" to a book that he suggested you read. Funny, I'd bet he's read much, if not all of the Bible.
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Post by nkat on Apr 6, 2018 14:00:00 GMT -5
Notbob I did have Easter dinner with a physicist and he told me anything is possible in the vast unknown. My sil butted in and told me he had a book that I could read that backed up the current theory. Told him no thanks! He only sees black and white and no gray. NKat I suspect he in fact, sees gray much better than most of us. Scientists study gray. There are all kinds of theories about "gray." Scientists are continually learning by discovering more and more information about gray. He doesn't only see in black and white, but black and white are things he best understands based on proven facts. Where gray is concerned, he strives to make it black and white with proof. Scientists are only interested in one thing - proof. Speculation and theories, while interesting, can't be the basis for any conclusions without proof. For scientists, a claim without proof is nothing more than a fantasy - or a theory. You believe in some sort of "creator/controller" you call God, or the Lord, but where's the proof? You said "no thanks" to a book that he suggested you read. Funny, I'd bet he's read much, if not all of the Bible. I think that you would loose that bet. He was raised with no religion. I baptized him at my kitchen sink, I did not want to take a chance. My sil is very intelligent but very set in his ways. He does know a lot of facts about the Catholic Religion from reading books. nkat To be honest I would be bored with his book with tons of facts. I do know the so called facts about the universe but I want to believe that there is so much more out there! This lifetime is too short to be stuck in a rut and ignore all the endless possibilities that the universe can hold!
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