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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 16:22:45 GMT -5
www.npr.org/2018/12/24/678390550/for-evangelicals-a-year-of-reckoning-on-sexual-sin-and-support-for-donald-trump"Evangelical Protestants very much subscribe to the idea that sexual sin is the mother of all sin," says Samuel Perry, a sociologist of religion who trained at an evangelical seminary. "It is the most dirty, the most d*mning, the most shameful."
Despite that reputation, evangelicals this year repeatedly found themselves having to defend their views on the seriousness of infidelity. About 80 percent of white evangelical voters backed Trump in 2016, and exit polls from this year's mid-term election showed little or no erosion of that support.
They stayed with the president even after an adult film star, Stormy Daniels, and a former Playboy Playmate, Karen McDougal, came forward with detailed accounts of their sexual encounters with him during a period when he was married.
"I've not heard of any evangelical leader who has said that [Trump's] marital unfaithfulness was acceptable or anything but morally wrong, sinful, and [needing] to be repented of," says Wayne Grudem, a professor of biblical studies at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona.
This year, Grudem published a 1300-page book, Christian Ethics: An Introduction to Biblical Moral Reasoning, intended to help Christians apply "a biblical worldview to difficult ethical issues." He devoted six chapters to the commandment against committing adultery.
Like most other evangelicals, however, Grudem says he's a supporter of Donald Trump.
"I strongly disapprove of adultery and being unfaithful in marriage," Grudem says, "but I still support [Trump's] actions as president. I'm glad he's president, and I would vote for him again." [more]
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 16:25:26 GMT -5
What would you call this attitude? I don't think these people are stupid. Can they be that opposed to abortion that they will vote for anyone who says they oppose it?
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Post by rosa427 on Dec 25, 2018 16:51:42 GMT -5
Like many of their ilk, they are pretty much full of themselves and self-serving in purpose.
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Post by tnthomas on Dec 27, 2018 23:33:52 GMT -5
What would you call this attitude? I don't think these people are stupid. Can they be that opposed to abortion that they will vote for anyone who says they oppose it? Not stupid in the traditional sense, if I were one to call names....I would assign them "knuckleheads". FAKE Christians,to be more precise.
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Post by birdgal on Jan 12, 2019 18:17:47 GMT -5
Hypocrite works for me.
While they cleverly call their fake cause about their love and concern for a fetus that's a well crafted lie.
How can someone be outraged and passionate over a cluster of cells in a woman's body and not even give a second thought to children snatched from their Mom's arms at the border, or children sold as sex slaves, or children living on the street, or beaten, abused, and raped? Where's the outrage about these innocent children?
Their cause has never been about abortion. It's all about a women's right to choose. Nothing else.
These people make me proud to be an Atheist. They can convince themselves that their God works is mysterious ways just like I can convince myself ice cream is onee of the most important food groups.
Our Founding Fathers knew how dangerous mixing religion and politics can be. When a belief appears to be a fact that's a clear and present danger for a democracy.
They need to keep their beliefs in their church and out of our government.
When beliefs and faith replace reason, sense, and thought we are no longer a democracy. We're a theocracy. No.thanks!
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Post by notmydad on Jan 13, 2019 18:07:19 GMT -5
Can they be that opposed to abortion that they will vote for anyone who says they oppose it? They are single-issue voters and they are probably the most dangerous voters. They are not voting for the candidate, they are voting against abortion. Period. Regardless of the candidate's stance on any other issue, they will pull that lever if he/she is anti-choice.
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Post by Drifter on Jan 13, 2019 19:10:58 GMT -5
They are not voting for the candidate, they are voting against abortion. Regardless of the candidate's stance on any other issue, they will pull that lever if he/she is anti-choice. True, that is! Warren held a town hall in Iowa. One woman liked what she was preaching but stood up and said, if she still believed abortion was okay, she would not vote for her, for President. Warren explained to her, she believes a woman should be able to make her own decisions about her body and not be judged. That woman still insisted she would not vote for her if she held that position.
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Post by notmydad on Jan 13, 2019 19:24:56 GMT -5
Warren explained to her, she believes a woman should be able to make her own decisions about her body and not be judged. I believe most Democrats are anti-abortion and pro-choice. I'm against abortion, but I don't believe I have a right to tell somebody unrelated to me that she can't decide for herself what is best for her. Those who believe they have the right to force women to give birth when they have an unintended/unwanted pregnancy should be forced to support those children.
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Post by birdgal on Jan 13, 2019 21:51:49 GMT -5
The Evangelical word is becoming just as offensive and tiring to me as the word trump. Keep your religion out of my government, please You don't want to have an abortion then don't. This is a Democracy. Deal with it!
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Post by rebecca2013 on Jan 18, 2019 10:32:00 GMT -5
There are a few Evang.... (sorry birdgal I won't say the word!! ) that find Ziyi and I offensive..... even though we don't flaunt our lifestyle.... we don't "advertise" no bumper stickers for example, they have actually singled us out.... and have harassed us. I am not the best Catholic in the world for sure but I don't try to hurt or bother people.... I always thought....for "those people" is that really being a Christian???? And yes.... Ziyi is a Buddhist but she lives her life.... showing compassion and loving kindness to EVERYONE.... not just people she knows.... but to everyone..... Her motivation isn't to force her beliefs on others but rather to help people find the happiness through her metta practice. Gosh... I don't know about what you all think but that seems to me to be very selfless way to be.... to always put others first and unlike these Evang.... is actually is a great way to live one's life.... Is she a saint? Nahh she's with me!! hahaha.... but she is one of the most kind people I know and that is to everyone she meets!! So why these people look down on us as we harm no others?? These people basically who support Trump are hypocrites.... Trump and all HIS ISSUES ABOUT WOMEN...... SERIOUSLY?!?!? BAH!!!!
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Post by tnthomas on Jan 18, 2019 15:06:59 GMT -5
Someone here pointed out recently the the "Evangelicals" have picked the two issues- being LGBTQ and reproductive rights to target for their hate. The VERY two issues that Jesus never made condemnation of.
We do know that Jesus had contempt for greedy and judgemental people, the very types that the Evangelicals have come to embrace.
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Post by birdgal on Jan 18, 2019 16:26:45 GMT -5
I'd like to remind these religious people (not at all spiritual - just religious) their holy book says, "John was the one whom Jesus loved!" Hmm. Very interesting. What's that all about, huh? lol.
Also, there's that pesky little thing about those without sin casting the first stone.
"Religion is a set of texts, practices, and beliefs about the transcendent shared by a community and involves a relationship with God. Spirituality on the other hand is about a person's relationship with the transcendent questions that confront one as a human being. This may or may not involve relationships with God."
Philip Lisagor, MD
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Post by birdgal on Jan 18, 2019 16:49:34 GMT -5
If a Gay person talks about their life with the person they love it's called "flaunting their lifestyle" to hateful, ignorant, and stupid people. If a non Gay person talks about their life with the person they love it's called sharing.
BTW, my spouse and I have a life. We don't have a lifestyle. We have a "life" just like the married man and woman across the street from us do. Just sayin'. lol.
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Post by birdgal on Jan 19, 2019 13:01:34 GMT -5
One more thing about these people calling themselves Christians. Thank you Rebecca for not mentioning the name they like to call themselves. I like the name I call them better. Hypocrites. lol.
Here's my take on why they're so opposed to love. If they are truly human beings they have sexual desires. Lust even. The elf on a shelf calls his wife mommy. How creepy is that? He also won't allow himself to be in a room with another woman if "mommy" isn't there too. How creepy is that? Is it because he's so pent us with pure lust he doesn't trust himself to check out a book in a library if the librarian is female? Or, perhaps a handsome and beefed up young male?
I believe the holier than thou type have convinced themselves anything that makes them feel good is evil. Why? Because if it feels good it must be a sin. And yet, they believe Jesus died for their sins. If he already died for your sin isn't it kind of a slap in the face to not enjoy it? Besides that, why would your Creator make you desire something and then punish you if you like it?
I think they're all sexually repressed and probably a little nuts. That's why they don't believe Gay love is only love. They see it as nothing more than sex and in their twisted minds sex is bad. Hey, if they can't do it and enjoy it neither can you. That's also why they make a big stink about a woman deciding what she wants to do with her own body. She had sex. She has to pay. Did she now? That's as stupid as saying one person is playing tennis but don't get me started.
I had a Christian woman tell me her and her husband always had sex in the spirit. Doesn't everyone?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 13:34:43 GMT -5
birdgal ~ The acceptance of other lifestyles and abortion was getting more favorable in our country until #45 "opened the gates of Hell." Now many people feel it is okay to say whatever they feel out loud. How can they think it's any of their business what others do with their lives? Unless they are directly causing danger to others (like shooters) why interfere?
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