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Post by The Inspector on Sept 12, 2020 15:17:01 GMT -5
Trump supporters are increasingly isolated in their denial of systemic racism
A large swath of the American public has shifted in its views on race, but Trump's base has not. In a new Pew Research survey, just 9% of Trump supporters say it's harder to be Black in the US than white. Compared to 74% of Biden voters and 44% of the general electorate, Trump's base is left on an island of its own denial of systemic racism. Seventy-six percent of American voters say it is at least "a little more difficult" or "a lot more difficult" to be Black than white in the US, with the share of respondents saying the latter up 9% from 2016. "This change has come entirely from supporters of the Democratic candidates," Pew researchers said on the shift in a breakdown of the survey provided to Insider. Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories. New data from Pew Research on perceptions of key social issues show that President Donald Trump's base is an outlier from the rest of the country when it comes to views on racism. Just 9% of Trump supporters say they believe it is harder to be Black in the US than white, compared to 44% of all voters and 74% of Joe Biden supporters, according to a report released Thursday, part of the Center's American Trends Panel. Trump supporters remain relatively unchanged in this view since 2016, when 11% said they believe it is harder to be Black in America than white.
If you are any thing but the "right" white Christian it is hard in America. Blacks are easier to spot, so easier to discriminate against. We were catholics in mostly baptist town.
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Post by Warrigal on Sept 13, 2020 20:16:09 GMT -5
God bless the Catholics. They are not fixated on the Old Testament and take the gospels values seriously. Social justice something that they really care about.
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Post by The Inspector on Sept 13, 2020 20:26:35 GMT -5
God bless the Catholics. They are not fixated on the Old Testament and take the gospels values seriously. Social justice something that they really care about. Social justice something that they really care about. The biggest trouble is the Church structure with the pope and all.
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Post by Warrigal on Sept 14, 2020 21:55:20 GMT -5
Their biggest problem is clericalism but that is eroding steadily.
The laity are finding their voices.
Medieval structures must be modified or left behind in the 21st century.
The problem is always that of throwing out the baby along with the dirty bathwater.
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Post by 2old on Sept 15, 2020 15:09:07 GMT -5
The Catholic Church is almost a government in itself. The hierarchy is very rigid in its levels of "governing". From parish priests to bishops to cardinals to the Pope. Everyone is in their place and pays homage to the levels above him. The parishioners are taught from birth to respect and not question that hierarchy. This has always... and still does... work well for the Church. Sheesh! The Catholic Church received over $1.4 billion of PPP funds. Why does an entity that pays zero in taxes receive over a billion in tax dollars? What was the potential of the Catholic Church for "going out of business"?
OTOH, the evangelical denominations are autonomous. You see the mega churches where a single pastor becomes a billionaire with private jets, mansions in which to live, yachts, etc. They drill into their communicants a political mantra that agrees with those communicants' "sweet spots". Abortion. 2nd Amendment. Vote for politicians that will make sure the millions in dollars handed to the pastors are not in danger of being taxed.
You see the Catholic Church using their billions to construct huge cathedrals and parochial schools and doing significant benevolent work with the poor/needy. The evangelicals use their billions to support political candidates and pad the pockets of the leaders. Their mega churches are steel buildings... gymnasiums... filled with band instruments and coffee bars that appeal to a more "redneck" audience. The Catholics just keep educating their parishioners from birth through adulthood in the "Church Way" that has served them well for centuries. Sorta the old "walk softly and carry a big stick". The evangelicals want to scream and shout and parse the phrases from the scriptures that will motivate the masses to toss more and more and more dollars into the collection plates.
Totally different approach to religion. There are some liturgical denominations that somewhat fall in between the Catholics and the evangelicals. Lutheran. Episcopal. Presbyterian. Trump is after the mega church evangelicals. Those people are his audience... is rabid fans... his voters that are told, and believe, he is "The Anointed One". Those are the hard core Trumpers that will do everything, even take up arms, to keep him in office. One of my best friends is a staunch Catholic. Their son is an ordained priest. That entire family is fed up with Trump and I look for them to vote for Biden... if they even vote. From what I am picking up in casual conversation, they most certainly will NOT vote to retain Trump in office.
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Post by Warrigal on Sept 15, 2020 18:23:47 GMT -5
Certainly the catholic church is a government with laws (canon laws) that can be used to maintain control over the clergy but they are less effective as a means of controlling the laity. "Father" is no longer able to dictate to the congregation which books they cannot read or whether women may or may not avail themselves of certain methods of birth control. Today the laity simply do what their conscience allows for the main part. While Roman Catholicism is a universal church it is different in different countries because the local culture shapes the church as much as the church affects local culture.
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