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Post by oldmontana on Aug 24, 2020 11:35:20 GMT -5
Hideous, horrible woman, MT. I really don't care, do U? I care as she still has the media covering her. Horrible...no. Just nasty and as first lady, she should have not cried about her problems....she should have been above that. Never liked her after she said "for the first time I am proud of the US" or words to that effect after Mr Obama was elected our President.
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 24, 2020 13:20:01 GMT -5
What did she do. Just because you do not, like her and do not know the reason Ms Obama did something, does not mean you can attack her with a spin of waste. She likely had very good reasons for her travels, other then the spin reasons you give.
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Post by Kady on Aug 24, 2020 13:20:18 GMT -5
THE TRUMP FAMILY IS TAKING 12X MORE PROTECTED TRIPS THAN THE OBAMA FAMILYBy Walker Davis and Linnaea Honl-Stuenkel
April 10, 2020Last fiscal year, the Trump family took more trips that required Secret Service protection than the Obama family took in seven, according to a budget document released by the Treasury Department. On average, Obama’s family took 133.3 protected trips per year, while the Trump family has taken an average of 1,625 annually. Much of the Trump family’s known travel has been to promote Trump Organization businesses, which President Trump still owns and profits from. Every President and his family deserve Secret Service protection. But the President’s private business should reimburse taxpayers for money spent at Trump’s businesses or in support of them. While previous presidents have separated themselves from their assets and placed them in a blind trust, President Trump appointed his two adult sons to manage the international businesses that continue to make hundreds of millions of dollars a year on his behalf. The Trump family’s extremely high number of protected trips can be partially explained by the fact that Eric and Don Jr. have traveled the world promoting Trump-branded businesses throughout the Trump presidency. This explanation does less to settle concerns than to highlight the extent to which the American people are subsidizing the Trump family business. Despite running up a high tab, the Trump Organization has not paid the American people back for the security taxpayers have subsidized when Trump family members travel to support a business that regularly cashes in on the presidency.Of course the Trump family is entitled to Secret Service protection, and should be protected, but increasing the volume by more than a factor of ten has put a strain on the agency’s budget. So much so, that the Secret Service has had to justify the spike in protective travel costs in its congressional budget requests for the past two years. That appears to be the only reason the number of protected visits has been made public at all. Not only has the frequent travel put a strain on the budget, but a Secret Service agent told VICE News that Trump’s travel has contributed to “burnout.” The Secret Service 2020 and 2021 budget requests contain explanations of some of the expenses driving costs that necessitate a larger budget. One of these is protective travel. Protective travel spiked massively in 2017 when Trump became president. In the last fiscal two years, the Trump family has taken 3,249 protected trips. In seven years, the Obama family took a total of 933. The chart below shows the number of protective trips for each fiscal year, which, for the federal government, begins in October. Because the fiscal year does not line up with Trump’s inauguration, we have left fiscal year 2017 out of the calculations. Protected travel visits are defined as “any instance that an individual protectee spends time within the jurisdiction of a single USSS field office, other than the protectee’s home district.” All this travel has cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. The Washington Post reported that in 2017 the Secret service requested an additional $60 million for the year to pay for protective travel for President Trump, Vice President Pence, visiting heads of state and the Trump family. $26.8 million was set aside to protect Trump’s family and their residence at Trump Tower. That $60 million increase was no small bump: in 2015, the entire Secret Service protective travel budget was $80 million. Some of the spike can be accounted for by the fact that President Trump has five children, four of whom are adults, whereas President Obama has two. However, even vice presidential families with adult children did not reach close to the tally of the Trump family. Vice President Biden’s family tally, including his adult children and grandchildren, reached 1,882 in seven years, only around 250 more than the Trump family accumulates every year. Vice President Pence’s family has only taken 190 protected trips in the last two fiscal years.CREW has uncovered the Secret Service costs for several Trump family business trips that help to piece together the tab that the Trump family has accumulated with taxpayers. In February 2017, Eric and Don Jr. flew to Dubai to open a Trump-branded golf club, which cost the Secret Service more than $200,000. The same month, Eric flew to the Dominican Republic to potentially relaunch a failed Trump-branded resort project, which cost $20,000. Eric Trump has visited Uruguay twice for Trump Organization business, costing taxpayers $97,830 in 2017,and $80,786 in 2019. And those are just the receipts we have obtained so far. What we do know is that the President’s frequent trips to Trump branded properties put taxpayer money directly into the coffers of the Trump Organization. The Trump family has taken more than three thousand protected trips in the last two fiscal years and the Secret Service budget has had to increase massively to accommodate the family’s travels. We don’t know exactly how many of those trips are related to the Trump business, but the bill is adding up fast. A 12x increase in any budget item is bound to attract attention, and the President’s business should reimburse the Treasury for taxpayers funds spent to support his business directly or indirectly.https://www.citizensforethics.org/trump-family-travel-12x-obama-family/
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 24, 2020 13:27:20 GMT -5
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Post by 2old on Aug 24, 2020 13:36:48 GMT -5
And... as far as the suggestion Former First Lady Obama was "fast and loose" with anything...
How many nude photo shoots was Ms. Obama part of? How many years did Ms. Obama work for an escort service? How many scandals did the Obama family have during 8 years compared to the "scandal-a-day" Trump three years? Does "fast and loose" ever come to mind about someone who cheats on his first wife with his second, getting her pregnant. Cheats on his second wife with his third. Is in bed with a porn actress when the child he fathers with his third wife is only a few months old?
The financial scandals, corruption scandals, and integrity scandals of Trump and his entire family will have movies and books written for years, detailing the most "fast and loose" elected official in the history of our country.
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Post by helen on Aug 24, 2020 13:40:51 GMT -5
The new view opens thing up. It so much to ado about nothing. No big deal, look what Ms Obama did putting in a garden with raised beds..what did that cost, but Ms Obama was fast and louse with taxpayers money. Is the garden still there? If so what is it costing us taxpayers? Is that 'louse' (a parasitic insect) or 'loose' (spend freely)? Whole different meaning.
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Post by helen on Aug 24, 2020 13:44:11 GMT -5
I agree, the colorful garden was too much detraction for his highness, Sir Trump.
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Post by Kady on Aug 24, 2020 13:45:54 GMT -5
What did she do. Just because you do not, like her and do not know the reason Ms Obama did something, does not mean you can attack her with a spin of waste. She likely had very good reasons for her travels, other then the spin reasons you give.
....one thing about it.....you can bet your bottom dollar the Obama's were not promoting a business to put money in their own pocket.
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Post by ruby on Aug 24, 2020 15:50:01 GMT -5
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 24, 2020 15:56:06 GMT -5
What did she do. Just because you do not, like her and do not know the reason Ms Obama did something, does not mean you can attack her with a spin of waste. She likely had very good reasons for her travels, other then the spin reasons you give.
"She likely had very good reasons for her travels" She did? Please tell me I am all ears. I believe what was reported. I believe in facts.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 24, 2020 15:59:32 GMT -5
What did she do. Just because you do not, like her and do not know the reason Ms Obama did something, does not mean you can attack her with a spin of waste. She likely had very good reasons for her travels, other then the spin reasons you give.
....one thing about it.....you can bet your bottom dollar the Obama's were not promoting a business to put money in their own pocket. Obama's books did that..... put money in their own pocket.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 24, 2020 16:05:52 GMT -5
And... as far as the suggestion Former First Lady Obama was "fast and loose" with anything... How many nude photo shoots was Ms. Obama part of? How many years did Ms. Obama work for an escort service? How many scandals did the Obama family have during 8 years compared to the "scandal-a-day" Trump three years? Does "fast and loose" ever come to mind about someone who cheats on his first wife with his second, getting her pregnant. Cheats on his second wife with his third. Is in bed with a porn actress when the child he fathers with his third wife is only a few months old? The financial scandals, corruption scandals, and integrity scandals of Trump and his entire family will have movies and books written for years, detailing the most "fast and loose" elected official in the history of our country. Trying to justify what Ms Obama did because of what Trump did...OK if that floats your boat.
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Post by cassandra on Aug 24, 2020 16:21:34 GMT -5
Hideous, horrible woman, MT. I really don't care, do U? I care as she still has the media covering her. Horrible...no. Just nasty and as first lady, she should have not cried about her problems....she should have been above that. Never liked her after she said "for the first time I am proud of the US" or words to that effect after Mr Obama was elected our President. Are you drinking? MT is Melania Trump. She is the hideously horrible woman who visited the southern border to guesstimate the situation and left wearing a jacket with words on her back "I really don't care, do U?" Stay with us, ok?
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 24, 2020 18:07:13 GMT -5
www.factcheck.org/2009/07/michelles-european-vacation/Did Michelle Obama and her daughters use taxpayer money to take a European vacation? A: The first lady, her mother and her children did stay in Europe for a private vacation after the president completed an overseas trip on official business. However, no taxpayer money was used for the first family’s personal expenses.
It sound like Opinion to me. Many people now a days get Opinion and facts confused.
Are you saying all first families should hide out in the White House and not go golfing or on vacation?
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 24, 2020 19:14:54 GMT -5
I care as she still has the media covering her. Horrible...no. Just nasty and as first lady, she should have not cried about her problems....she should have been above that. Never liked her after she said "for the first time I am proud of the US" or words to that effect after Mr Obama was elected our President. Are you drinking? MT is Melania Trump. She is the hideously horrible woman who visited the southern border to guesstimate the situation and left wearing a jacket with words on her back "I really don't care, do U?" Stay with us, ok? MT to me is Montana not Melania.
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