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Post by helen on Aug 5, 2020 10:33:02 GMT -5
Protesting is mostly for show. A far more effective way to bring about local change is to get involved in local politics, do your research, and run for office or vote and support others who think as you do.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 5, 2020 11:59:18 GMT -5
I get the point you do not like the protestors, I am sure if they were protesting something you liked you would not be so bothered by them. There you go again....posting misinformation. I think protesters are fine as long as they obey are laws. Go that?
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 5, 2020 13:04:23 GMT -5
You called them "names"(The crazies will not go away) if you wish them to be peaceful you should say what you mean. You call all the protestor crazies. If you meant only the trouble makers you need to say so.
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 5, 2020 13:51:26 GMT -5
Open statements like this are tactics used to attack my personal credibility. Not really to debate the topic at hand.
It's like me asking you how badly do you beat your kids. It's a loaded question. I do no try to post misinformation and you do not beat your kids.
If you wish to have a debate, Keep to the subject.
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Post by tnthomas on Aug 5, 2020 22:18:11 GMT -5
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 7, 2020 15:20:07 GMT -5
Portland protests continue as Mayor Wheeler decries violence katu.com/news/local/portland-protests-continue-as-mayor-wheeler-decries-violencePart of the link.. PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Violent clashes this week between protesters and police in Portland, Oregon, have ratcheted up tensions in the city days after an agreement between state and federal officials appeared to bring calm. More demonstrations were rallying Thursday night, hours after the city's mayor decried the unrest that has roiled Portland since George Floyd was killed. “You are not demonstrating, you are attempting to commit murder,” Mayor Ted Wheeler said Thursday in a hastily called news conference alongside Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell. Wheeler also warned that the city anticipated more “attacks on public buildings” in the immediate future. RELATED: City staff could have been killed during riot, Wheeler says Thursday night, Portland police declared an unlawful assembly outside a precinct and protesters were ordered to leave. They had said earlier that they believed the intent of the crowd was to vandalize and burn the precinct. Officers worked to clear streets near the precinct of demonstrators, at times running at the crowd to push people away. Smoke canisters were also deployed, news outlets reported. Portland police said some demonstrators in the group laid ties made of rebar in the street that caused damage to police vehicles. Protests continued Thursday in Portland. (Photos courtesy of PPB) Police say protesters threw rebar in the roads on Thursday night. (KATU video) Early Friday, roads near the precinct were closed, police said. “Any persons including members of the press who violate this order will be subject to arrest,” the department said in a tweet. “Don’t think for a moment that if you are participating in this activity, you are not being a prop for the reelection campaign of Donald Trump — because you absolutely are,” the mayor had said. “If you don’t want to be part of that, then don’t show up.” The Pacific Northwest Youth Liberation Front, which advertised the Wednesday rally on social media, used Twitter to announce “Round 2” of the same demonstration on Thursday night with the slogan “No cops. No prisons. Total abolition.” ===================================================================== It is hurting the BLM cause.
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 7, 2020 19:14:58 GMT -5
On Wednesday, the city cleaned out six storm drains that are in the immediate vicinity of the federal courthouse where tear gas was used almost every night. The area is just a few blocks from the Willamette River. Workers have taken samples from the sediment in the drains to test for zinc, lead, copper and chromium — all found in tear gas. The city is also worried about chemical residue washing off trees, grass and office buildings and making its way to the river. Portland will test outflow into the Willamette after the next major rainstorm. “We know that a certain amount of these chemicals have settled into the city’s storm drains. We are going to remove as much as possible to prevent that material from being flushed into the Willamette River,” said Matt Criblez, the city’s environmental services compliance manager. The violent clashes at the courthouse have abated since July 30, when federal agents began drawing down their numbers under a deal between the governor and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. But after a quiet weekend, nightly protests have once more gained steam in other parts of the city. The demonstrators are calling for the city to defund the Portland Police Bureau and are critical of Mayor Ted Wheeler, who is also police commissioner. They also want charges dropped against protesters who have been arrested in earlier protests.
Violent Portland protests detract from message and the police seem to be dealing with it. With out more details it is hard to know that is going on and why. There still seems to be some animosity over tramp's Goon's tactics ( e.g. tear gas use)
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 8, 2020 12:48:32 GMT -5
On Wednesday, the city cleaned out six storm drains that are in the immediate vicinity of the federal courthouse where tear gas was used almost every night. The area is just a few blocks from the Willamette River. Workers have taken samples from the sediment in the drains to test for zinc, lead, copper and chromium — all found in tear gas. The city is also worried about chemical residue washing off trees, grass and office buildings and making its way to the river. Portland will test outflow into the Willamette after the next major rainstorm. “We know that a certain amount of these chemicals have settled into the city’s storm drains. We are going to remove as much as possible to prevent that material from being flushed into the Willamette River,” said Matt Criblez, the city’s environmental services compliance manager. The violent clashes at the courthouse have abated since July 30, when federal agents began drawing down their numbers under a deal between the governor and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. But after a quiet weekend, nightly protests have once more gained steam in other parts of the city. The demonstrators are calling for the city to defund the Portland Police Bureau and are critical of Mayor Ted Wheeler, who is also police commissioner. They also want charges dropped against protesters who have been arrested in earlier protests.
Violent Portland protests detract from message and the police seem to be dealing with it. With out more details it is hard to know that is going on and why. There still seems to be some animosity over tramp's Goon's tactics ( e.g. tear gas use)
Blame the tear gas .. that is a push!
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 8, 2020 12:59:30 GMT -5
www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/08/portland-protests-continue-friday-after-trump-denounces-lawless-rioters.htmlPortland protest escalates to arrests, force Friday after overnight ‘unlawful assembly’ Updated Aug 08, 2020; Posted Aug 07, 2020 Part of the link.. Portland protests continue for 72nd night By Molly Harbarger | The Oregonian/OregonLive and Piper McDaniel | For The Oregonian/OregonLive A protest in Portland’s east side escalated early Saturday morning after an hours-long standoff between demonstrators and police. Officers used stun grenades, pepper spray, impact munitions and physical force to push a crowd of 300 protesters away from a police building on East Burnside Street. Police detained multiple people as they advanced through residential streets. The response by police followed a barrage of eggs thrown by protesters at officers. Police had declared the gathering unlawful more than three hours earlier and repeatedly warned people to leave. Early in the night, police arrested a photojournalist and accused him of trespass. Portland police later said officials ultimately decided to break up the crowd after people threw rocks and “explosive devices” at officers, something two Oregonian/OregonLive journalists did not see while they observed interactions between protesters and police. A loud firework did explode near a building shortly before officers advanced. ========================================================= When is the mayor going to understand the need for a curfew. Yesterday his concerns were that the protesters could hurt the D's chance in the Presidential election...OMG...how about he looks out for the safety of people of Portland!
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 8, 2020 14:46:47 GMT -5
How is there any threat to the people of Portland.
No looting, no attaches on people or their property.
300 protestor is just not a threat to the people of Portland.
Keeping the press away is going to back-fire on the police.
The police have for some time seen the lack of transparency as a good thing, believing that people would believe it was just one or bad cops, causing trouble . but with the advent of cameras everywhere, not knowing how many bad cops there are, causes people to loose faith in them all. which is not good.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 8, 2020 17:04:56 GMT -5
How is there any threat to the people of Portland.
No looting, no attaches on people or their property.
300 protestor is just not a threat to the people of Portland.
Keeping the press away is going to back-fire on the police.
The police have for some time seen the lack of transparency as a good thing, believing that people would believe it was just one or bad cops, causing trouble . but with the advent of cameras everywhere, not knowing how many bad cops there are, causes people to loose faith in them all. which is not good.
"How is there any threat to the people of Portland. " "No looting, no attaches on people or their property" I suggest that you get up to speed on what has and is going on in Portland,
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Post by The Inspector on Aug 8, 2020 18:16:55 GMT -5
If they is something, say what it is.
You seem to like putting me down as a way to make an open ended point.
(I suggest that you ) is a put-down, Not valid argument on the topic.
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Post by Drifter on Aug 8, 2020 22:09:50 GMT -5
Wrong. You need to get up to speed and if you do you would know that the protests that turned into to riots, looting, destruction of private and public property started weeks before the feds were sent in. The rest of your post is typical of a person that shows dislike (gate) for Trump. I can not believe that you can say that with a straight face! Do you understand what you posted? I think not Everyone can not be as sweet as you are. Do you have anything to say about what is going on in Portland? My bad as you do not read my posts...cry me a river! You need to get up to speed on when the violence started There you go again....posting misinformation. I suggest that you get up to speed on what has and is going on in Portland Stop being a PITA!
Unless you are part of the solution in Portland, all this negative energy is wasted on good people here. It would help if you learned how to discuss something that you disagree with, than bash someone for their opinion on it.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 9, 2020 9:42:37 GMT -5
Wrong. You need to get up to speed and if you do you would know that the protests that turned into to riots, looting, destruction of private and public property started weeks before the feds were sent in. The rest of your post is typical of a person that shows dislike (gate) for Trump. I can not believe that you can say that with a straight face! Do you understand what you posted? I think not Everyone can not be as sweet as you are. Do you have anything to say about what is going on in Portland? My bad as you do not read my posts...cry me a river! You need to get up to speed on when the violence started There you go again....posting misinformation. I suggest that you get up to speed on what has and is going on in Portland Stop being a PITA!
Unless you are part of the solution in Portland, all this negative energy is wasted on good people here. It would help if you learned how to discuss something that you disagree with, than bash someone for their opinion on it. So your opinion is fine and mine is not. I got it!
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 9, 2020 9:46:53 GMT -5
If they is something, say what it is.
You seem to like putting me down as a way to make an open ended point.
(I suggest that you ) is a put-down, Not valid argument on the topic.
You stated as fact..."No looting, no attaches on people or their property" I guess according to one of the "head push's" that run this board I should just let statements like that pass.
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