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Post by Drifter on Jun 24, 2019 7:48:19 GMT -5
I agree,, we do need a cure... BUT,,, you know as well as I do, a cure will never be used even if a cure is found. Cancer is a massive cash cow for pharmacudical companies AND they're stock holders. Not to mention hospitals, cancer centers, specialists and etc... Good ole American greed to an absolute fault. You took my post out of context...What I said was: we need to cure cancer...trump is a cancer on America & the cure is to #VoteHimOut in 2020.And NO..I don't know, like you do, that a cure will never be used even if a cure is found. I have a more optimistic attitude about it than you do. I'm sure if you had some form of cancer, your pessimistic attitude would change OR you could try self curing yourself with grape seed extract.  |
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jun 24, 2019 7:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by dragonlady on Jun 24, 2019 11:39:36 GMT -5
Each to his own, but if I or one of my children have a medical problem, I am definitely going to be seeing my physician: it doesn't mean I might not add a non medical "cure" to the medical care (if nothing else it may have a "placebo" effect). Natural remedies didn't do much for Steve Jobs pancreatic cancer. In fact his use of "natural" remedies killed him when his curable cancer could have been cured by modern medicine. I've had cancer twice and survived thanks to modern medicine and early discovery.
However, like I said, each to his own and the risk is yours to take. A person may luck out and never need to have a medical problem taken care of, but many, many people can benefit from good medical care. Do physicians make mistakes, or are there those who are in it just for the money - definitely. It means you have to be darned careful in choosing an MD.
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Post by joymarty on Jun 24, 2019 12:48:56 GMT -5
I agree,, we do need a cure... BUT,,, you know as well as I do, a cure will never be used even if a cure is found. Cancer is a massive cash cow for pharmacudical companies AND they're stock holders. Not to mention hospitals, cancer centers, specialists and etc... Good ole American greed to an absolute fault. You took my post out of context...What I said was: we need to cure cancer...trump is a cancer on America & the cure is to #VoteHimOut in 2020.And NO..I don't know, like you do, that a cure will never be used even if a cure is found. I have a more optimistic attitude about it than you do. I'm sure if you had some form of cancer, your pessimistic attitude would change OR you could try self curing yourself with grape seed extract. If you have Faith and belief they want to cure, good for you, keep dreamin. They've been working and raising money for decades for the "cure" and guess what, all new drugs, pricey drugs and people do make it and many don't. The bottom line is MONEY, and we can't even cure the common cold. We have to do what we can learn and there is so much out there and being at the right place at a right time is so much in life. Even colds make money for pharma. Bottom line the stockholders, you think the drug companies CARE about us. And I'm taking grape seed extract for about 24 yrs as a Prevention and not a cure, I don't have cancer...but the medical group presenting this powerful antioxidant to a number of people fortunate enough to be in the audience heard "may prevent cancers"....from their mouths. And yes I believe trump is a cancer on the world. |
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Post by joymarty on Jun 24, 2019 13:04:01 GMT -5
Each to his own, but if I or one of my children have a medical problem, I am definitely going to be seeing my physician: it doesn't mean I might not add a non medical "cure" to the medical care (if nothing else it may have a "placebo" effect). Natural remedies didn't do much for Steve Jobs pancreatic cancer. In fact his use of "natural" remedies killed him when his curable cancer could have been cured by modern medicine. I've had cancer twice and survived thanks to modern medicine and early discovery. However, like I said, each to his own and the risk is yours to take. A person may luck out and never need to have a medical problem taken care of, but many, many people can benefit from good medical care. Do physicians make mistakes, or are there those who are in it just for the money - definitely. It means you have to be darned careful in choosing an MD. There are so many stories out there on people not going with pharma drugs like Jobs and those who use Pharma drugs like Coretta King who tried all she could and then went to Mexico for alternative treatments but it was too late. I personally know people who are working with all the procotols out there for their cancers vs the toxic drugs that can be worse than the cancers. I've had a great interest in curing alternatively for over 25 yrs and have been exposed to so many protocols. I'm guessing not many here have gone there. |
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jun 24, 2019 14:19:29 GMT -5
I strong believer in traditional Chinese medicine as well as Western medicine There are many minor ailments that are well treated by herbal prepared medicine that I get prescribed at Chinese apothecary on a regular basis At least in my case I have found that most if not all preparations work as directed sometime with things like antibiotics I will take Western meds instead. There are alternatives out there to choose
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Post by dragonlady on Jun 24, 2019 17:47:05 GMT -5
Each to his own, but if I or one of my children have a medical problem, I am definitely going to be seeing my physician: it doesn't mean I might not add a non medical "cure" to the medical care (if nothing else it may have a "placebo" effect). Natural remedies didn't do much for Steve Jobs pancreatic cancer. In fact his use of "natural" remedies killed him when his curable cancer could have been cured by modern medicine. I've had cancer twice and survived thanks to modern medicine and early discovery. However, like I said, each to his own and the risk is yours to take. A person may luck out and never need to have a medical problem taken care of, but many, many people can benefit from good medical care. Do physicians make mistakes, or are there those who are in it just for the money - definitely. It means you have to be darned careful in choosing an MD. There are so many stories out there on people not going with pharma drugs like Jobs and those who use Pharma drugs like Coretta King who tried all she could and then went to Mexico for alternative treatments but it was too late. I personally know people who are working with all the procotols out there for their cancers vs the toxic drugs that can be worse than the cancers. I've had a great interest in curing alternatively for over 25 yrs and have been exposed to so many protocols. I'm guessing not many here have gone there. Like I said,each to his own, but I know of far more who have gone the "natural" route with a disastrous outcome. As for a cancer cure, I seriously doubt that something as phenomenal as a genuine cure for cancer could be kept secret for long. Also, all cancers are not alike and respond differently to different treatment. More likely big pharma would bring it to market and charge the proverbial arm and leg for it - like a million dollars a dose.
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Post by formerlyme on Jun 24, 2019 20:53:22 GMT -5
I've had Hashimoto's Chronic Lymphocytic Thyroiditis for close to four decades. If this was many, many years ago, my eventual fate would have been complete failure of my metabolism, ending in coma or death. Modern science created Synthroid, a synthetic thyroid hormone replacement pill taken daily for life. It's cheap at about $72.76 Cdn. for a year's supply, and with my medical plan coverage I only pay $14.56 for a year's supply. It has enhanced my health and wellbeing, and allowed me to live a normal life span. I'm now 75, and very grateful for Synthroid.
What about Insulin? What about vaccinations that have partially or completely eradicated killer diseases like polio or tuberculosis? What about persons with HIV/AIDS who can now have their lives prolonged indefinitely, from what not so long ago was a cruel and speedy killer? What about the fact that childhood leukemia, which was once a virtual death sentence but now has an amazingly high cure rate? This is all thanks to research funded through pharmaceutical companies, university research departments, donations, etc.
Of course, those who malign so-called 'Big Bad Pharma' because they make a lot of money usually overlook that a large chunk of their profits go back into more research that leads to better treatments and better outcomes, sometimes even cures. I don't begrudge them the money we pay; we may be helping to fund a future cure for the Big C.
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Post by joymarty on Jun 24, 2019 21:04:02 GMT -5
I had the Hashi dx many yrs ago but choose the old tried and true thyroid support Armour and now take Naturthryoid aka NT, these are desiccated supports used long before Syncrwap hit the market place. Armour is what was used long before labs were ever around. Docs back then used theraputic doses on people for their laundry list of symptoms of which there are 60some. Syn stuff never did it for me, more fatigue in my body.
Then of course, pharma spends millions on the huge splash of drug tv ads to grab the people...I close my eyes and mute it then. Only in America and I think Australia the tv ads...
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Post by formerlyme on Jun 24, 2019 21:34:13 GMT -5
I had the Hashi dx many yrs ago but choose the old tried and true thyroid support Armour and now take Naturthryoid aka NT, these are desiccated supports used long before Syncrwap hit the market place. Armour is what was used long before labs were ever around. Docs back then used theraputic doses on people for their laundry list of symptoms of which there are 60some. Syn stuff never did it for me, more fatigue in my body. Then of course, pharma spends millions on the huge splash of drug tv ads to grab the people...I close my eyes and mute it then. Only in America and I think Australia the tv ads... Are your results borne out by proper testing of your TSH blood levels? What you are doing is 'hit and miss' self-diagnosis, at best a placebo effect with a little imagination thrown in. I've had regular lab tests for all these many years, that verify that Synthroid works for me, like it does for millions of others. I prefer certainty to random experimentation. Of course, you have an argument for everything, don't you? Arguments I don't find supportable with proven, testable facts.
At any rate, what you do about your body and health are your own business, and I hope you are satisfied with the results. However, it would be respectful for you to stop trying to debunk the views of those who choose differently. It's their own danged business, too! With all due respect, I'm not a big fan of your pseudo-medical proselytizing when you lack any formal medical credentials.
Peace!
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Post by formerlyme on Jun 24, 2019 21:39:01 GMT -5
Then of course, pharma spends millions on the huge splash of drug tv ads to grab the people...I close my eyes and mute it then. Only in America and I think Australia the tv ads... Did you not say in another thread that you don't own a television set? |
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Post by Drifter on Jun 24, 2019 21:42:13 GMT -5
Then of course, pharma spends millions on the huge splash of drug tv ads to grab the people...I close my eyes and mute it then. Only in America and I think Australia the tv ads... Did you not say in another thread that you don't own a television set? I caught that too.  |
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Post by Drifter on Jun 24, 2019 21:55:09 GMT -5
If you have Faith and belief they want to cure, good for you, keep dreamin. Keep dreaming? There is always HOPE. Quite a bit of a difference between HOPE & Faith. Hope is an optimistic attitude of mind based on an expectation or desire. Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing or a belief not based on proof. Faith says it is so now, and hope says in the future it could happen.I'd rather be an optimist than a pessimist...makes one happier and not sweating the small stuff. |
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Post by joymarty on Jun 25, 2019 0:19:15 GMT -5
I unplugged cable about 2 yrs ago after a 4.5 month mess in rehabs for a staph infection in knee that the brilliant docs didn't find for about 3 months, long ugly story. When I finally got home tv had had not been paid and I did not want to give cable company over $300 to get tv again, so that was it...but it's still sitting in my living room collecting dust....and I had tv all my previous life and I'm 81.....soooooo
People have opinions and their choices and these are mine to work with my health and I've been hurt by pharma too much and as my daughter who is 55.
Trust away.
And I went for 10 yrs in 1991-2002 with many docs and all their labs for thyroid and telling me "you are fine" and I was in a major depression for 10 yrs...finally talked to my D.O. who worked on my back for years and he gave me a theraputic dose of Armour and depression I had for 10 yrs lifted in 4 days...I've been around the block more times than anyone here has any ideas..those 10 yrs of depression, it was A/D drugs like they were handing out candy and that still goes on today. I believe thyroid is major and to get the right one and dose is so critical....and doctors miss that so much, the old docs knew so much more and didn't have all the so called modern synthroid companies in their offices with their sample cases....I have not taken a A/D since 2002 and my Armour salvation. BTW: it's a script so I do take a couple of drugs.
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Post by joymarty on Jun 25, 2019 12:56:47 GMT -5
Well since this is a politics post and it went to drugs and pharma, I'll say at least the person who is at the helm is supporting pharma and his croonies and the stockmarket, I believe I've read he has diabetes so takes a pharma drug, and also takes a Statin drug so he supports pharma...could be other drugs he takes but that's what I've read. Nothing holistic about him. Very toxic ...
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