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Post by suds00 on May 29, 2019 18:21:17 GMT -5
now that robert mueller has stated that his report did not state that trump was not guilty of anything there are increased calls for impeachment proceedings to begin.perhaps they should.the democrats in the house may be forced to do something even if the republican senate opposes it.however they run the risk of alienating some voters and actually helping trump.although he certainly deserves something;maybe censure;maybe impeachment i think they should proceed with caution so not as to enhance trump's re-election prospects
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Post by 2old on May 29, 2019 20:37:45 GMT -5
The fact is that a McConnell led Senate will NOT vote to remove Trump, no matter what the articles of impeachment show. I understand Pelosi wanting to have investigations find enough criminality where the American people cannot duck the truth. Currently, if you ask 30 people on the street their idea of whether the impeachment threshold has been met... 10 will say remove... 10 will perceive Trump as a victim... 10 will not really care what happens. The evangelicals... the NRA minions... the white nationalists... the Islamophobes… the anti LGBTQ... the billionaires... the list is long of those who are Trump devotees due to either personal wealth or indoctrination by Fox, etc. To begin impeachment today will lift up Trump as being a victim and propel him to victory in 2020. The DOJ is completely compromised. I still believe the target should be focused much more on keeping the House majority and winning the Senate than worrying about Trump. If the Dems win the Senate, it's over! Then the House can bring impeachment proceedings and the Senate can have an excellent chance of removing him. We've got to get the Dems to get back at the agenda which the voters want. Health care. Immigration. Wages. If the House begins sending bill after bill after bill to the Senate and McConnell won't bring them to the floor, that can be powerful ammunition during the 2020 Congressional elections. To waste time continuing to dilly-dally over this impeachment thing isn't doing it!
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Post by suds00 on May 30, 2019 7:39:44 GMT -5
it'll be difficult to take the senate if trumps wins in 2020.i would wait to show the american people what a bad actor he really is.
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Post by Warrigal on May 31, 2019 22:24:02 GMT -5
The Democrats need to evaluate the damage they do to their own base if they do not do their duty. If Dem voters feel let down and disappointed, they may not come out to vote in 2020.
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Post by birdgal on May 31, 2019 23:38:50 GMT -5
I'm a Democrat. As long as I am still breathing I will go out to vote in 2020.
If Elsie the cow is our candidate I will vote for her. If Satan himself is on our ticket he gets my vote too.
Nothing is more important, or more urgent, than getting a lying, cheating, perverted, traitor out of The Peoples House!
I don't believe any reasonsble Democrat would stay home and let the chips fall where they may because their guy/gal didn't make it.
I was a Hillary supporter who proudly voted for Obama.
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Post by 2old on Jun 1, 2019 6:56:38 GMT -5
Now there's talk that Justin Amash is using his criticism of Trump as a means to get Trump re-elected. He is making quite a hit with many Dems as he goes around calling out Trump. He may well toss his hat in the ring as a third party candidate. This could do the same damage as Sanders did in 2016. We have to be so careful that a renegade or two that seems to be today's anti-Trump hero doesn't end up being the key that keeps Trump in the White House another 4 years. We MUST vote for the Democratic candidate... and none other!!!
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Post by tnthomas on Jun 1, 2019 18:35:51 GMT -5
it'll be difficult to take the senate if trumps wins in 2020.i would wait to show the american people what a bad actor he really is. Well I doubt that trump will carry the popular vote in 2020, of course that mattered little in 2016 but I'd say that the Electoral vote is still very much up for grabs, and Russian intervention will have a more difficult time next go-round.
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Post by oldmontana on Jun 1, 2019 19:48:26 GMT -5
it'll be difficult to take the senate if trumps wins in 2020.i would wait to show the american people what a bad actor he really is. Well I doubt that trump will carry the popular vote in 2020, of course that mattered little in 2016 but I'd say that the Electoral vote is still very much up for grabs, and Russian intervention will have a more difficult time next go-round. "and Russian intervention will have a more difficult time next go-round" Saying that is very telling of your lack of understanding of what the Russians did or did not do.
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jun 1, 2019 20:05:37 GMT -5
Not sure we should impeach?? Foolish Donkey is a criminal no just because I not like him but he is unnamed individual in criminal case we all know he guilty He has been taking money while in office another crime he has done many illegal acts while in office he is criminal period he NOT above law we investigate he stonewall. When will we just plunge into impeachment? So Senators are co-conspiring with Donkey? Let us remove them from office that is what they are all afraid of is losing.... so let’s sweep them out
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Post by tnthomas on Jun 1, 2019 21:23:51 GMT -5
He has been taking money while in office another crime he has done many illegal acts while in office he is criminal period Trump's criminal activities are just beginning to be investigated, it will be telling what the state of New York(and others)find for possible criminal indictment.
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Post by rebecca2013 on Jun 1, 2019 21:37:03 GMT -5
Ziyi is correct the man is a criminal he runs the Administration like a mob boss he covers himself with kiss butts like Graham and Nunes and Big bad Mitch... oh the whole damned lot of them makes me want to puke
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Jun 2, 2019 0:53:00 GMT -5
If you listen carefully you can hear him say “No collusion no obstruction”
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Post by Drifter on Jun 2, 2019 7:39:08 GMT -5
Not sure we should impeach?? Foolish Donkey is a criminal no just because I not like him but he is unnamed individual in criminal case we all know he guilty He has been taking money while in office another crime he has done many illegal acts while in office he is criminal period he NOT above law we investigate he stonewall. When will we just plunge into impeachment? So Senators are co-conspiring with Donkey? Let us remove them from office that is what they are all afraid of is losing.... so let’s sweep them out How is impeachment going to be accomplished when the Dems don't have the Senate Repubs on board?
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Post by rebecca2013 on Jun 2, 2019 11:34:15 GMT -5
Not sure we should impeach?? Foolish Donkey is a criminal no just because I not like him but he is unnamed individual in criminal case we all know he guilty He has been taking money while in office another crime he has done many illegal acts while in office he is criminal period he NOT above law we investigate he stonewall. When will we just plunge into impeachment? So Senators are co-conspiring with Donkey? Let us remove them from office that is what they are all afraid of is losing.... so let’s sweep them out How is impeachment going to be accomplished when the Dems don't have the Senate Repubs on board? Well. They can impeach him fairly easy as the House brings impeachment the Senate does the trial which you are correct. Won’t go far but what eventually is the answer? Allow him to get away with it? Wait and see if he loses in 2020? Or just whine and complain?
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Post by suds00 on Jun 2, 2019 11:38:54 GMT -5
if we don't impeach him on the first go round he'll enter the campaign looking like a winner,which he's not.if you kick a king,you've got to kill him.
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