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Post by dragonlady on Aug 9, 2018 16:22:56 GMT -5
If Obama was a divider, it was because of his skin color (which he had no choice about). The conservative right absolutely hated the idea of a black president. You made it about trump when you mentioned: " When you talk about violence you need to look back at all the violence...business burned..police attacked..etc...that happened before Trump was President or was even running for President." - then. as usual you made it about Obama who isn't even in any public office. It's markedly worse under trump than any previous president.
Black lives matter is a hate group? Now there's some serious "fake news" Quite the opposite - they want equal and fair treatment for people of their race - a not unreasonable demand - at least to most people
Wrong again. It was while Obama was in office that I was talking about... look back at all the violence...business burned..police attacked..etc...that happened before Trump was President. BLM started out that had a good objective but it had members that burned businesses ...attacked police with rocks, bottles and whatever. Were were you when this was on the national news showing the destruction they did and the cost to taxpayers? Obama stirred to pot of racism in our country with his approval of BLM and his putting down our police. If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected. Trump is a load mouth but he is not a racist like Obama was. Seriously??!!?? trump is not racist? Surely you jest! You are truly delusional. Obama didn't make a big deal out of where trump was born - trump did for Obama. Would he have done that if Obama was white? I think not. As for anyone criticizing the police, it was largely justified - given all the unnecessary shootings of black suspects by the police - which, by the way,continues today. Even worse the governments did little to nothing about it. There is much more violence under trump that there was under Obama - you and other hard core trump supporters choose to not see or make note of it.
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Post by tnthomas on Aug 9, 2018 16:43:41 GMT -5
Trump is a load mouth but he is not a racist like Obama was. I'm impressed, you admitted that Trump is a loud mouth...of course there is nobody alive that doesn't know that.
Also, I'd like for you to just describe how, in what way was Obama ever racist...I'd really be interested to hear your explanation.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 9, 2018 16:55:45 GMT -5
If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected. That's false! Our nation got a lot less white by 2012. (Suppose that is what has the Trump supporters upset now) Who voted for Obama to get him re-elected? White = 39% Black = 93%Hispanic = 71%Asian = 73%Thanks for the numbers as it makes my point... If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected. If the white voters would have voted like the minorities he would not have won. That was my point.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 9, 2018 17:08:56 GMT -5
Wrong again. It was while Obama was in office that I was talking about... look back at all the violence...business burned..police attacked..etc...that happened before Trump was President. BLM started out that had a good objective but it had members that burned businesses ...attacked police with rocks, bottles and whatever. Were were you when this was on the national news showing the destruction they did and the cost to taxpayers? Obama stirred to pot of racism in our country with his approval of BLM and his putting down our police. If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected. Trump is a load mouth but he is not a racist like Obama was. Seriously??!!?? trump is not racist? Surely you jest! You are truly delusional. Obama didn't make a big deal out of where trump was born - trump did for Obama. Would he have done that if Obama was white? I think not. As for anyone criticizing the police, it was largely justified - given all the unnecessary shootings of black suspects by the police - which, by the way,continues today. Even worse the governments did little to nothing about it. There is much more violence under trump that there was under Obama - you and other hard core trump supporters choose to not see or make note of it.
You are grasping at straws about were Obama was born...that was a legitimate issue. I see you think it's OK for people to break our laws like some members of BLM and others did. There is more violence under Trump? That could be, can you back that up with a reliable source with a link? "you and other hard core trump supporters" not nice of you to make things up...I see things the way they are and why...that is a good thing..you should try it.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 9, 2018 17:28:34 GMT -5
Trump is a load mouth but he is not a racist like Obama was. I'm impressed, you admitted that Trump is a loud mouth...of course there is nobody alive that doesn't know that.
Also, I'd like for you to just describe how, in what way was Obama ever racist...I'd really be interested to hear your explanation.
Thanks for asking. Obama's words and actions point toward my opinion. Like has support of the radical BLM group...his defending blacks and bashing our police that killed blacks..before the evidence came out that the police were NOT guilty...prejudgement. In his mind I think Obama thinks he is not a racist..his actions and the actions of Ms Obama say otherwise. I see why people that have been discriminated for years have good reasons to be very mad .. I would be. I have seen it on the American Indian Reservations..discrimination is with us and will be as far into the future as I can
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Post by tnthomas on Aug 9, 2018 17:44:04 GMT -5
I'm impressed, you admitted that Trump is a loud mouth...of course there is nobody alive that doesn't know that.
Also, I'd like for you to just describe how, in what way was Obama ever racist...I'd really be interested to hear your explanation.
Thanks for asking. Obama's words and actions point toward my opinion. Like has support of the radical BLM group...his defending blacks and bashing our police that killed blacks..before the evidence came out that the police were NOT guilty...prejudgement. In his mind I think Obama thinks he is not a racist..his actions and the actions of Ms Obama say otherwise. I see why people that have been discriminated for years have good reasons to be very mad .. I would be. I have seen it on the American Indian Reservations..discrimination is with us and will be as far into the future as I can Black lives matter is: "activist movement, originating in the African-American community, that campaigns against violence and systemic racism toward black people. BLM regularly holds
protests speaking out against police killings of black people," Is that "radical" in your mind?
Can you imagine a president with a conscience, regardless of his race who would not be supportive of ending indiscriminate killing of innocent citizens?
Bashing police? FALSE. Perhaps being critical of poor police behavior- then yes.
I do know where you get the nonsense about President Obama & Mrs. Obama being "racists"...that would be from the alternative universe of fairytales- Fox.
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Post by Drifter on Aug 9, 2018 17:55:57 GMT -5
That's false! Our nation got a lot less white by 2012. (Suppose that is what has the Trump supporters upset now) Who voted for Obama to get him re-elected? White = 39% Black = 93%Hispanic = 71%Asian = 73%Thanks for the numbers as it makes my point... If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected. If the white voters would have voted like the minorities he would not have won. That was my point. Your statement does not make sense to me.... If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected.Those numbers should tell you more than what you are getting out of them. We are a nation of color. In approximately 10 years or so, white will no longer be a deciding vote in anything. A nation of colors will rein. Is the white person going to become more violent then because they will not know how they can stop the uprising of color?
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Aug 9, 2018 18:00:16 GMT -5
That's false! Our nation got a lot less white by 2012. (Suppose that is what has the Trump supporters upset now) Who voted for Obama to get him re-elected? White = 39% Black = 93%Hispanic = 71%Asian = 73%Thanks for the numbers as it makes my point... If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected. If the white voters would have voted like the minorities he would not have won. That was my point. what?? I have to jump in here... you see numbers??? Hispanic 71% Black 93%..... Asian like me.... 73% You must be kidding around... He was very popular president...more that this one... well.... almost every president before Trump more popular.... Franklin Pierce even more popular and according to history he one of least favored presidents... the only people who seem to like trump are the Republicans.... at about 88% but then all they want is profits and tax cuts for rich.... far as middle class and the poor are concern.... they are brushed away.... the Irony?? Trump biggest support is lower middle class, blue collar workers usually without college educations.... the VERY people he exploit and they no see it..... shame on him and shame on Republicans for shielding and protecting a traitor.
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Post by Drifter on Aug 9, 2018 18:05:13 GMT -5
Trump Hate MapAn interesting link! We’ve seen the proof since his campaign launch in June 2015. President-elect Donald Trump’s xenophobic rhetoric didn’t just push his fellow candidates to the right on immigration (in what has become known as the “Trump Effect”). It’s gone beyond the political world and injected itself into everyday life — and, in many instances across dozens of states, in a very violent ways. This map (in the link above) shows documented instances where President-elect Donald Trump, his supporters, or his staff have harassed or attacked Latinos, immigrants, Muslim-American, African-Americans, and other minority and marginalized groups. You can view individual incidents on the map by clicking directly on the Trump head “markers,” or you can click on the box-shaped symbol at the top left corner of the map to see a pull-down list of the incidents.
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Post by chinadoll1981 on Aug 9, 2018 18:15:44 GMT -5
Trump Hate MapAn interesting link! We’ve seen the proof since his campaign launch in June 2015. President-elect Donald Trump’s xenophobic rhetoric didn’t just push his fellow candidates to the right on immigration (in what has become known as the “Trump Effect”). It’s gone beyond the political world and injected itself into everyday life — and, in many instances across dozens of states, in a very violent ways. This map (in the link above) shows documented instances where President-elect Donald Trump, his supporters, or his staff have harassed or attacked Latinos, immigrants, Muslim-American, African-Americans, and other minority and marginalized groups. You can view individual incidents on the map by clicking directly on the Trump head “markers,” or you can click on the box-shaped symbol at the top left corner of the map to see a pull-down list of the incidents. SO very true!! I see in just my community of Asian people... big rise of hate incidents, name calling... even elderly being abused, pushed.... disgusting behaviors... why?? for exactly your point.... because HE promotes bigotry, racism, xenophobia and seems to delight in division of Americans... you see it echoed in many of his appointees to office as well.... This is one evil Foolish Donkey....
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Post by dragonlady on Aug 9, 2018 19:05:16 GMT -5
Seriously??!!?? trump is not racist? Surely you jest! You are truly delusional. Obama didn't make a big deal out of where trump was born - trump did for Obama. Would he have done that if Obama was white? I think not. As for anyone criticizing the police, it was largely justified - given all the unnecessary shootings of black suspects by the police - which, by the way,continues today. Even worse the governments did little to nothing about it. There is much more violence under trump that there was under Obama - you and other hard core trump supporters choose to not see or make note of it.
You are grasping at straws about were Obama was born...that was a legitimate issue. I see you think it's OK for people to break our laws like some members of BLM and others did. There is more violence under Trump? That could be, can you back that up with a reliable source with a link? "you and other hard core trump supporters" not nice of you to make things up...I see things the way they are and why...that is a good thing..you should try it. Guess I didn't have to post any further info on this subject - others have done it for me. It seems that hard core trumpers seem to feel if they can vilify Obama and Clinton enough, it will negate trumps racist, criminal behavior. Not happening for most of us.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 9, 2018 19:49:32 GMT -5
Thanks for asking. Obama's words and actions point toward my opinion. Like has support of the radical BLM group...his defending blacks and bashing our police that killed blacks..before the evidence came out that the police were NOT guilty...prejudgement. In his mind I think Obama thinks he is not a racist..his actions and the actions of Ms Obama say otherwise. I see why people that have been discriminated for years have good reasons to be very mad .. I would be. I have seen it on the American Indian Reservations..discrimination is with us and will be as far into the future as I can Black lives matter is: "activist movement, originating in the African-American community, that campaigns against violence and systemic racism toward black people. BLM regularly holds
protests speaking out against police killings of black people," Is that "radical" in your mind?
Can you imagine a president with a conscience, regardless of his race who would not be supportive of ending indiscriminate killing of innocent citizens?
Bashing police? FALSE. Perhaps being critical of poor police behavior- then yes.
I do know where you get the nonsense about President Obama & Mrs. Obama being "racists"...that would be from the alternative universe of fairytales- Fox.
""Black lives matter is: "activist movement, originating in the African-American community, that campaigns against violence and systemic racism toward black people. BLM regularly holds protests speaking out against police killings of black people," Is that "radical" in your mind?"" --------------------------------- Its what they have done...burning buildings...throwing rocks, bottles or whatever is what makes they radical.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 9, 2018 19:56:36 GMT -5
You are grasping at straws about were Obama was born...that was a legitimate issue. I see you think it's OK for people to break our laws like some members of BLM and others did. There is more violence under Trump? That could be, can you back that up with a reliable source with a link? "you and other hard core trump supporters" not nice of you to make things up...I see things the way they are and why...that is a good thing..you should try it. Guess I didn't have to post any further info on this subject - others have done it for me. It seems that hard core trumpers seem to feel if they can vilify Obama and Clinton enough, it will negate trumps racist, criminal behavior. Not happening for most of us. I asked you.. I see you think it's OK for people to break our laws like some members of BLM and others did. There is more violence under Trump? That could be, can you back that up with a reliable source with a link? I see you think it's OK for people to break our laws like some members of BLM and others did. Is that OK? There is more violence under Trump? That could be, can you back that up with a reliable source with a link? The fact that you could not answer my questions tells me that you were just blowing smoke..you could not back up what you posted as fact.
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Post by oldmontana on Aug 9, 2018 20:00:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the numbers as it makes my point... If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected. If the white voters would have voted like the minorities he would not have won. That was my point. Your statement does not make sense to me.... If it were not for the white vote Obama wound not have been elected.Those numbers should tell you more than what you are getting out of them. We are a nation of color. In approximately 10 years or so, white will no longer be a deciding vote in anything. A nation of colors will rein. Is the white person going to become more violent then because they will not know how they can stop the uprising of color? If the white voters would have voted like the minorities he would not have won. That was my point. Still is...do the numbers.
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Post by birdgal on Aug 10, 2018 0:26:22 GMT -5
If the white voters would have voted like the minorities he would not have won. WTH? Oh, never mind. Not even worth an intelligent reply. Dump isn't a president. He's a traitor. Plain and simple.
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