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Aug 20, 2019 14:00:33 GMT -5
Post by good4nothin on Aug 20, 2019 14:00:33 GMT -5
I was waiting at the motor vehicle department today and a man was sitting next to me, and we got into a conversation. He told me his wife had died 5 years ago, from heart surgery. Then he told me he had a quadruple bypass 20 years ago.
He was a nice-looking, intelligent man in his 60s. Not overweight, not a smoker. He said he has a great cardiologist, at a great hospital. He said he will never have another heart attack, because he takes blood thinners.
So I was curious. I wondered if he paid attention to his lifestyle, if he was careful about diet and exercise. So I asked if his doctor had mentioned these things.
No. His doctor never said he should avoid certain kinds of food, or that he should exercise. I told him I walk a lot, and I hope that keeps my heart working. He said he should walk, he gets out of breath from walking a very short way.
I was not going to preach. I was just curious. I've had similar conversations with lots of others. Medical doctors, many of them, are making their patients think drugs and surgery are the way to stay healthy.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:04:18 GMT -5
Post by joymarty on Aug 20, 2019 15:04:18 GMT -5
Yep, I've always wondered if my sister's MS docs talked to her about the over indulgence of sugar/carbs she was addicted to. I'm guessing no, but kept pushing deadly toxic drugs into her mouth...she died with a body full of toxic drugs that the docs told her would slow down the progression of the MS. Nope, not for her life.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:40:54 GMT -5
Post by good4nothin on Aug 20, 2019 15:40:54 GMT -5
Yep, I've always wondered if my sister's MS docs talked to her about the over indulgence of sugar/carbs she was addicted to. I'm guessing no, but kept pushing deadly toxic drugs into her mouth...she died with a body full of toxic drugs that the docs told her would slow down the progression of the MS. Nope, not for her life. They're too busy to think about trying to figure out the cause. It's easier to push drugs. If a patient has a bad lifestyle, that is the first thing that should be changed. If that doesn't work, ok go on to the drugs if there are no natural alternatives. I also spoke with someone today who has a pain in her hand. The doctor immediately gave a cortisone injection, making no effort to find the cause.
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Aug 20, 2019 16:05:37 GMT -5
Post by joymarty on Aug 20, 2019 16:05:37 GMT -5
Well, it's too bad the patient didn't have the SMARTS to turn down the cortisone injection, they do more damage than good. Doctors truly don't care....They are so pharma brainwashed.
And unless one sees a naturopath or specialty doc which we often have to pay out of pockets, it's give the drug and pay the money.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:11:52 GMT -5
Post by good4nothin on Aug 20, 2019 17:11:52 GMT -5
Well, it's too bad the patient didn't have the SMARTS to turn down the cortisone injection, they do more damage than good. Doctors truly don't care....They are so pharma brainwashed. And unless one sees a naturopath or specialty doc which we often have to pay out of pockets, it's give the drug and pay the money. I think this patient should have done some research before trusting the doctor. I told her to do that. But people are brainwashed to trust doctors.
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Aug 26, 2019 17:01:53 GMT -5
Post by joymarty on Aug 26, 2019 17:01:53 GMT -5
Doctors are really doing the aging population an injustice by NOT doing tests and prescribing Growth Hormone to help our aging population and all the health conditions we end up with.
We're talking Heart Health, Memory Loss, Arthritis, Depression, MS, ALS and whatever else people deal with. I have NOT searched EVERYTHING.
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Aug 26, 2019 19:23:52 GMT -5
Post by good4nothin on Aug 26, 2019 19:23:52 GMT -5
Doctors are really doing the aging population an injustice by NOT doing tests and prescribing Growth Hormone to help our aging population and all the health conditions we end up with. We're talking Heart Health, Memory Loss, Arthritis, Depression, MS, ALS and whatever else people deal with. I have NOT searched EVERYTHING. There have been studies of people in some traditional cultures, and they aren't getting those diseases nearly as much as people in industrial societies. Our lifestyle is unnatural, and we are exposed to all kinds of toxic substances. You are assuming lack of growth hormone is the main cause, and that people should take growth hormone. But we would need scientific evidence and explanations to convince us. Remember when doctors were telling all middle-aged women to take female hormones, to prevent aging? Even back then I knew it was a bad idea. In general, anything unnatural should be avoided if possible. Hormones, antibiotics, drugs, etc., should only be taken if absolutely necessary. If you want to convince us that everyone should take HGH, you would have to show scientific research.
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Aug 26, 2019 19:43:04 GMT -5
Post by Drifter on Aug 26, 2019 19:43:04 GMT -5
Remember when doctors were telling all middle-aged women to take female hormones, to prevent aging? Really? I've never heard that.
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Aug 26, 2019 20:09:03 GMT -5
Post by good4nothin on Aug 26, 2019 20:09:03 GMT -5
Remember when doctors were telling all middle-aged women to take female hormones, to prevent aging? Really? I've never heard that. You never heard of hormone replacement therapy (HRT)? It was recommended for all or most women. The idea was that women lose female hormones at menopause, which results in aging and disease. Now, of course, we know that HRT increases the risk of cancer, heart disease, etc. Even back then (maybe in the 1980s?) it was obvious to me that HRT was a bad idea, since it is unnatural. And I have the same thoughts about HGH, although I have not yet read much about it. HGH is supposed to decrease with age, that is how Nature made us. Sure, health problems are likely to increase with age, leading up to death. But I don't think there is any way around that.
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Aug 26, 2019 20:10:06 GMT -5
Post by joymarty on Aug 26, 2019 20:10:06 GMT -5
HGH work has been around for decades. Why doctors don't go there, my untrusting mind says, docs need us to be sick and aging so they can push more drugs, more $$$ for them.
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Aug 26, 2019 20:42:36 GMT -5
Post by Drifter on Aug 26, 2019 20:42:36 GMT -5
Really? I've never heard that. You never heard of hormone replacement therapy (HRT)? It was recommended for all or most women. The idea was that women lose female hormones at menopause, which results in aging and disease. Now, of course, we know that HRT increases the risk of cancer, heart disease, etc. Even back then (maybe in the 1980s?) it was obvious to me that HRT was a bad idea, since it is unnatural. And I have the same thoughts about HGH, although I have not yet read much about it. HGH is supposed to decrease with age, that is how Nature made us. Sure, health problems are likely to increase with age, leading up to death. But I don't think there is any way around that. You misunderstood me. I've never heard any doctor tell middle-aged women to take female hormones. I never was advised to do so. Nor was my mother or sister. Must be a regional location thingy?
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Aug 26, 2019 20:54:20 GMT -5
Post by 2old on Aug 26, 2019 20:54:20 GMT -5
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Aug 26, 2019 21:10:36 GMT -5
Post by Drifter on Aug 26, 2019 21:10:36 GMT -5
My doctor is not listed there 2old, nor is my husbands.
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Aug 26, 2019 21:28:15 GMT -5
Post by 2old on Aug 26, 2019 21:28:15 GMT -5
My GP is. The other doctors in his practice are not. I think he gets the kickback for the entire practice since he is the senior partner. May have a "share and share alike" arrangement. A couple times it has been close to $50,000/year. Probably pocket change for them, but still a reward for prescribing a specific manufacturer's drugs.
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Aug 26, 2019 21:52:22 GMT -5
Post by joymarty on Aug 26, 2019 21:52:22 GMT -5
Why wouldn't the aging population want to feel better and stronger as we age? Again, the MD's are failing the population in this area. draxe.com/nutrition/supplements/human-growth-hormone/And I'm not talking Steroids folks. And as far as aggressive cardio work, what older person do you know who can do this? Very few out there....
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